Anyone leaving Labour party with Chuka and his mates?

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I am seriously worried. Politics across the West is an utter mess - thanks Putin, nice work - and I can't see that this will help. It will split the left vote and right-wing ideology will continue stomping its way to more power. We are asterisked all ways from hell to breakfast.

@ShatnersWig I know that they don't have to but I would think more of them if they did. I don't expect my MP to vote with the party all the time but I hope that he will vote in the way he thinks is best for his constituents.

So you think the majn stream mediais to be blame for corbyns failiure as a leader and politician?

Not the fact that he has done fuck all about anti semitism, has moved the party to the hard left when many people didn't want a hard left party, has been accused and shown as meeting terrorists, has let momentum bully hisbown mps so kuch that one even needed police protection to come to the party confrence....

Oh but it's the medias fault. Honestly sound just like a trump supporter and tbh momentum are probally worse then trump supporters.

We elect individuals not parties.

But huge numbers of people vote for the party, rightly or wrongly.

And, MPs are "whipped" to vote for the party sometimes, so can't vote in accordance with the wishes of their constituency.

Has anyone got a link to the new Independent Group website? I can’t seem to find it.

theindependent.group/

It's getting a hammering was overloaded a few times I tried to get on.

Not sure Mike Gapes falls into the easy category of media minion or whatever you want to say to dismiss the more high profile of the seven.

I don't think he's moved Labour to the hard left. He has just made it at the proper socialist party it always should have been before the millionaire property owning warmonger Blair got his hands on it.

We elect individuals not parties.

Thats idealistic, there is a reason why ultra safe seats exist and why parties can parachute mp's into them.

Yes, I am.

I can't stomach Luciana Berger. She is the ex girlfriend of Tony Blair's son and was parachuted into a Labour safe seat thanks to that. She has consistently claimed that the party is anti-Semitic when in reality it's just pro-Palestine.

Agree 100%.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/crash-landing-for-labour-candidate-parachuted-into-liverpool-1951962.html

I once went to talk given by the late great Tony Benn and he said splinter groups were a terrible idea and issues should always be resolved within the party

I suppose the answer to that is "but what do you do if you are never listened to, no action is taken, or you are bullied about it?"

Why are you blaming putin?
Bizarre. The country is in transition.

Don't hold your breath on the website - it is empty of any meaningful content.

There's an election coming up, so people are spreading stories that they think will help their cause.

Thanks for pointing put my ignorance windows. Don't know about you but when I see a bunch of people on the high ground shouting about principle, I expect them to show some example thereof. Silly me.

I left the Labour Party about six months ago because of the rampant anti semitism. I was also bullied by Momentum for liking a tweet. The Labour Party is toxic as is Corbyn and his cult.

When canvassing a Labour member, they told us that they refused to vote in the recent election because Corbyn's name wasn't on the ballot paper!! I joined the Labour Party not the Corbyn party. I might even rejoin if Corbyn wasn't leader.

I was really upset leaving but I felt I had no choice. I had to do what I felt was right.

It's laughable to talk about Berger being parachuted in when no one seems to mind that Long Bailey and Rayner were parachuted in. Or is it only OK when certain people do it?

You know, when one person says you are anti Semitic maybe you can shrug it off

When there have been repeated calls of anti semitism coming from a variety of sources maybe maybe maybe some self reflection is in order

I generally vote for the party rather than the individual, but I know that we have an individual rather than a party-based electoral system. Not sure how I feel about the breakaway. However, Corbyn and McDonnell voted against the party whip, and therefore against their own party, so many times when they were backbenchers that I don't think they have any legitimacy in a) whipping or otherwise attempting to impose their will on Labour MPs or b) calling on the seven to resign their seats.

It is never OK Andromeida but I was talking about Luciana Berger. FWIW I am not antisemitic if that's what you are implying

@Yogurty The very point I made earlier. And why many who are more Labour leaning than Tory won't have any truck with them at the present time.

Not exactly helpful to the people and communites destroyed by Thtacherite politics

One of which communities is mine (Merseyside). But Labour seats plus SDP seats wouldn't have got near the Tory majority in 1983. The idea that the vote split caused by the SDP allowed Thatcher to carry on and scuppered a Labour victory is just wrong. She would still have won huge majorities without that split.

The fact is that the two major parties have extremely polarised positions and policies. A new driving force for centrism is likely to be a good thing.

it's laughable to talk about Berger being parachuted in when no one seems to mind that Long Bailey and Rayner were parachuted in. Or is it only OK when certain people do it?

I don't think its good policy full stop and there would be more trust from constituents and the electorate in general if local people were championed more.

Indeed and telling us that it's the medias fault. I love the implied putdown in that one. If only you silly people didn't believe what you read. Just let us clever people explain it to you.
We are perfectly capable of analysing the content of the media and noting the bias. Women have had to do that all their lives. We know about the misogyny from the left because we are living it. I assume Jewish people are also living with the anti semitism rather than reading about it.

I just feel it’s refreshing for someone in (English) politics to stand up and say it straight. It seems on all sides we have this Trumpian bullshit where politicians can say any made up shite they like, whether it’s a Tory MP telling a blatant lie about Marshall Plan, or Labour claiming they’ll be able to negotiate a different WA from the EU. It’s constant. They all know they’re lying but they know they’re unlikely to get called out on it. The truth is disposable. And I’m sick of it.

And I can't believe that people on this thread are still saying there's no problem with anti-semitism in Labour. I mean, I can believe it. But god it depresses me.