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Anyone leaving Labour party with Chuka and his mates?

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longwayoff · 18/02/2019 08:58

I am seriously worried. Politics across the West is an utter mess - thanks Putin, nice work - and I can't see that this will help. It will split the left vote and right-wing ideology will continue stomping its way to more power. We are asterisked all ways from hell to breakfast.

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 18/02/2019 10:33

I'd be surprized if any Tories resign.

ShatnersWig · 18/02/2019 10:35

I would too, Ghost, but if a few did it would be fascinating. I don't like all Tory policy and I don't like all Labour policy. But there are individuals on both sides who I respect greatly as politicians.

derxa · 18/02/2019 10:36

Good luck to them.

ShatnersWig · 18/02/2019 10:37

Corbyn's response completely ignores the reasons they are going. What a surprise.

HappydaysArehere · 18/02/2019 10:39

I just hope it happens right now or as soon as poss. We all need a party which is a credible option. For goodness sake Chukka and Yvonne get things moving. You are not being disloyal to the Labour Party you can save it.

1StepBeyond · 18/02/2019 10:40

awful

did you see young labour's response? 'Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer, we’ll keep the red flag flying here.'

which says everything wrong with the party

rather than addressing the overwhelming concerns, just ignore them and carry on

GhostofFrankGrimes · 18/02/2019 10:40

They are essentially the Lib Dems without being the Lib Dems.

ShatnersWig · 18/02/2019 10:41

The seven already have their Independent Group website up and running

MillytantForceit · 18/02/2019 10:41

Sarah Woolastone, Heidi Allen and Anna Soubry have all said they will leave the Tories if the party votes for No Deal.

badlydrawnperson · 18/02/2019 10:43

No Tories will resign.

As for the gang of seven - they are saying they are trying to tap into the politically homeless - how about an end to FPTP.

1StepBeyond · 18/02/2019 10:43

I think they are more centrist than the lib dems (socially)

badlydrawnperson · 18/02/2019 10:44

Sarah Woolastone, Heidi Allen and Anna Soubry have all said they will leave the Tories if the party votes for No Deal.

Can I get odds at the bookies (on them resigning) cos I highly doubt their word.

KurriKurri · 18/02/2019 10:44

Chukka had a chance to stand as leader - and he might well have won, he chose not to - that's fine, but someone else got in - the time to leave was then.

I think if you are elected on a Labour platform, constituents have voted for a Labour MP and in turn for a lavel of labour representation in parliament. if you want to leave, the honourable thing to do is to resign your seat and stand again on your new platform in a by election, giving people the chance to elect either you or a labour representative.
You are elected as a representative of your party, obviously there is a personal element too, but it's arrogant to assume people will still want you as their MP when you have changed your politics.

derxa · 18/02/2019 10:46

They are essentially the Lib Dems without being the Lib Dems. I don't think we know yet. I'm right of centre and feel incredibly cheered by this.
We see time after time on here. 'I'm politically homeless'. The country is utterly fed up with Jeremy and Theresa and their rigid ideas.

Limensoda · 18/02/2019 10:49

They will make sure we are stuck with the Tories forever.
It's depressing.

OrangeSamphire · 18/02/2019 10:51

Has anyone got a link to the new Independent Group website? I can’t seem to find it.

OddBoots · 18/02/2019 10:51

"it's arrogant to assume people will still want you as their MP when you have changed your politics"

My MP is one of the 7, I don't think it is my MP who has changed his politics but the Labour party has - I don't recognise Labour as the same party any more but the MP has retained his politics while Labour diverted putting him out of step with their new tune.

loobyloo1234 · 18/02/2019 10:51

I hope the new party is successful. UK poloticis is on its arse. I completely agree with Chuka's comments. I respect him very much for taking a stand

ShatnersWig · 18/02/2019 10:54

Their website has already crashed.

At the moment, they are not a party, but a movement.

The Young Labour tweet is precisely why so many members of the Labour party have been despairing and why these 7 have left (one of them after 50 years of membership).

LadAlive · 18/02/2019 10:54

I think if you are elected on a Labour platform, constituents have voted for a Labour MP and in turn for a lavel of labour representation in parliament. if you want to leave, the honourable thing to do is to resign your seat and stand again on your new platform in a by election, giving people the chance to elect either you or a labour representative.

100% agree with this, all seven should resign their seat today.

PostmanPatIsIncompetent · 18/02/2019 10:55

Yes. 100% yes.

The success of the SDP wasn't that they formed a government or won lots of seats. The success was that they disrupted politics and won enough vote share (few seats, but 20-odd% of vote) to bring both major parties back towards the centre of where most people in the U.K. are. God, bring that on.

Skirmisher · 18/02/2019 10:57

Never has there been an easier time to be the opposition party. Labour should be scoring goal after goal against the government. But instead they’re toothless and useless and floundering in the polls.

No doubt Momentum bros will be cheering jubilantly but today’s events just makes the current Labour setup look even more un-electable. And the Tories will be crowing too, as they do their best to ignore the fact that they themselves are effectively two parties masquerading as one.

Fuck me, what a dearth of talented politicians there currently are. But it’s not like it’s a crucial time or anything…

loobyloo1234 · 18/02/2019 10:58

poloticis

'politics' obviously. Must read before posting. Whoops

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longwayoff · 18/02/2019 10:59

Well. So they're hanging on to their seats where they've been elected as representatives of the Labour party and plan to continue in post, picking up salary instead of standing down and putting themselves up for election as independents. I'm not keen on people having their cake and eating it, Boris or not.

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 18/02/2019 11:00

The success was that they disrupted politics and won enough vote share (few seats, but 20-odd% of vote) to bring both major parties back towards the centre of where most people in the U.K. are.

Thatchers Tories were not the centre or anywhere near it. There was still 2 decades of Tory rule despite of the SDP. Not exactly helpful to the people and communites destroyed by Thtacherite politics.