Anyone leaving Labour party with Chuka and his mates?

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I am seriously worried. Politics across the West is an utter mess - thanks Putin, nice work - and I can't see that this will help. It will split the left vote and right-wing ideology will continue stomping its way to more power. We are asterisked all ways from hell to breakfast.

’FPTP is why we never had BNP or UKIP MPs. Careful what you wish for.’

This is literally the only defence of FPTP people have. I would have no problem with UKIP and BNP MPs being elected if that was a true representation of people’s votes. Bring the bogeyman into the light I say and perhaps they'd then be less fetishised by our media.

Labour party member and supporter...at the moment. Lowest point for me since I quit over the Iraq war

Local branch over run by momentum. Centrists and anyone not cow towing to the Corbynites were effectively neutralised and or bullied. Complaints to the party did nothing

All responsibility lies with Corbyn. It's about time he realised if you are head of any organisation the buck stops with you. If TIG sets up as a party and has values I agree with I will join. I am effectively politically homeless

In my view this should have happened two years ago

Yep. The old ‘secret groups control the world’ trope is in fact the kind of tripe trotted out by those not brave enough to openly state their anti-Semitic views. How hilarious that JC is seen as so progressive and caring

I'm no fan of Corbyn, but you're a bit gullible if you take something that an anonymous stranger on the internet tells you about meeting someone who claoms to have known Corbyn and has an inside track on his thought processes.

Trying to input my details on their website and it just keeps saying "bad request"
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It was only two years ago that the vast majority of the PLP wanted Corbyn to go. Things have only got worse

I hope there are more defections soon. It's about time MPs manned and womanned up and stood up for the huge number of labour members who have been disenfranchised by Corbyn(ites). Labour party voters need an alternative they can actually put a cross on the ballot paper for

It will take a general election for anything to happen. An almighty drubbing at the ballot box will be the only thing that causes a shift.

Maybe. Maybe not. Brexit could push many over. Adding to the issues racism, mysigonist, lack of leadership and Labour party members leaving in droves

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Just how lovely that you posted to a vitriolic attack on the seven from a numpty keyboard warrior

How about addressing the issues in the party rather than deflect and attack? Typical MO of those that are systematically destroying the party

I see this as a good step like a phoenix rising from the ashes

I'd like to think so, but am not convinced for all the reasons already given

In many ways I see it more as a "wake up call" - at least you'd think so - but frankly that doesn't seem a given either

And if anyone doesn't think that the party has moved from its broad church you may be interested in this article. The Jewish Labour Party is thinking of leaving.

jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/after-99-years-jewish-labour-movement-to-consider-future-in-corbyns-party/

I'm a Fabian. I doubt they would but might call them

’FPTP is why we never had BNP or UKIP MPs. Careful what you wish for.’

This is literally the only defence of FPTP people have.

I’m no great supporter of FPTP, but that’s not true. PR does have problems of its own like making majority governments much more unlikely and giving small parties disproportionate power in government. And breaking the link between constituencies and their MPs.

It can depend on voting mechanisms and thresholds, of course, but once you go down that route you might as well accept that FPTP is one of the legitimate means of securing the same safeguards.

Kissing
PR does have problems of its own like making majority governments much more unlikely and giving small parties disproportionate power in government. And breaking the link between constituencies and their MPs.

And yet the DUP cope fine with STV voting in Northern Ireland elections

PR would need another bloody referendum. As it was clearly voted against last time in a huge majority...unlike the bloody B one I don't think it's worth discussing

The issue is the Labour party is meant to be a broad church of different sectors of beliefs and views. Under Corbyn that has been destroyed

Yes, and the Italian and Belgian systems have been hobbled by unstable governments for decades.

As I said, I’m not really keen on FPTP for its own sake. There can be good reasons to weight a system in favour of minorities or for other reasons.

No one system is inevitably better than another.

The Irish system works well.

PR would need another bloody referendum. As it was clearly voted against last time in a huge majority

As was pointed out earlier, the last time of asking was for an alternative vote system, which is not full PR at all or really remotely like it. And one can argue the political landscape is rather different now.

PR seems to work OK in Germany and Scandinavia and the Baltics and Portugal

only two countries still have full FPTP : the UK and the USA
splendid beacons of functional government

It would require another referendum. Try explaining the complexities to the Great British public after the last shambles we have just had

It's grasping at straws.

But you might as well understand the referendum as being a vote against moving away from FPTP. It seems v unlikely that large numbers of voters thought “I’ll vote against AV, but if it was STV I’d vote the other way”.

And it was a very clear result.

Citizens Assemblies. Another thing that would enhance British democracy.

To me the issue is not necessarily FPTP. It's the loss of consensus politics. Both the Tories and Labour have always been a broad church. Both have allowed the fringes to take over with the tail wagging the dog.

They both need strong leadership. As soon as possible to shut down the far sectors of the parties

I used to “do” electoral systems with my Y9 Maths groups when there was an election on. It was good for lots of maths including drawing and interpreting graphs, percentages and so on.
They were generally less than impressed with FPTP once they realised an MP could be elected with under 40% of the vote. They then always invented something very like the AV system as a solution.

67chevy, that keeps happening to me too. DH signed up yesterday and the same happened to him but he kept trying and got registered. I guess they are just a bit overloaded with requests at the moment

Borntobequiet
They were generally less than impressed with FPTP once they realised an MP could be elected with under 40% of the vote.
One MP at the 2017 election got 25% of the votes cast