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Anyone leaving Labour party with Chuka and his mates?

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longwayoff · 18/02/2019 08:58

I am seriously worried. Politics across the West is an utter mess - thanks Putin, nice work - and I can't see that this will help. It will split the left vote and right-wing ideology will continue stomping its way to more power. We are asterisked all ways from hell to breakfast.

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jasjas1973 · 18/02/2019 21:57

Whatever you think of JC, whatever you think of the current Labour Party they are the only force we have that will even TRY to protect anything that matters post Brexshit

Labour cannot prevent anything if they are in opposition.

The talk of a Lab split has been doing the rounds for months now, the leadership has failed to stop it (the issues identified by these 7 MPs could have been addressed with decent leadership) therefore, i conclude they are happy to be in opposition for another few years, heckling from the side lines, achieving nothing at all on employment and human rights......

hinely · 18/02/2019 22:00

Good riddance to Chukka Moaner, Gapes and so on, they've been whinging for so long now that it's good to see them gone. Still hoping Corbyn will support a second referendum -- otherwise I won't be voting labour.

TalkinPeece · 18/02/2019 22:01

hinely
Still hoping Corbyn will support a second referendum -- otherwise I won't be voting labour.
He won't
So who will you vote for ?

southernetter · 18/02/2019 22:01

I’ve been very upset with the Cons for a while but the LD wouldn’t have a hope in hell of getting in and there is no way I would ever have voted for JC and the Labour Party in the current state it’s in now. I don’t want to vote a bunch of raving Marxists into government. I think this new party is good news and I am hoping they turn out to be a viable alternative to Labour and the Tories.

ShatnersWig · 18/02/2019 22:03

The fact that Labour have readmitted Hatton shows that the 7 were right in their opinion of what the current leadership is about and aren't about to address the issues the 7 have raised.

Their deputy leader, Tom Watson, sees it. His statement today is unequivocal and admits Labour has problems that aren't being addressed that should be and that if the leadership doesn't listen, doesn't make changes and doesn't sort the problems, more resignations will follow. He admits they are losing members as well as MPs and that the party won't be elected unless it does something to convince the electorate they have changed and have the answers.

hinely · 18/02/2019 22:04

TalkInPeece - I think there's a good chance he will. Not sure yet, probably a tactical vote against my personal beliefs.

Justanotherlurker · 18/02/2019 22:04

Derek Hatton today

Yup, and Labour's journey to generational unelectability is almost complete...

It would be hysterical if it wasn't so tragic

TooManyPaws · 18/02/2019 22:05

I left the party several years ago when it became obvious that it was moving to the right, ignoring the grass roots with 'focus groups' instead and producing careerists with no life experience outside of politics. I was branch secretary in a former mining area too, as well as various other constituency positions. If you have a look at some of the footage of the post-devolution vote celebration in Parliament Square, you can see me wiping my hand after Blair shook it...

Labour has been in freefall for years up here, with the SNP having moved to the left of Labour. They are tired, splintered and reduced to sagging off everyone as they have no ideas of their own.

TalkinPeece · 18/02/2019 22:06

hinely
I think there's a good chance he will
You are utterly kidding yourself.
JC wants a hard Brexit. Always has done. Always will do.

notdaddycool · 18/02/2019 22:14

Strange timing. Can’t see how they can stop Brexit, I think I’d get that out of the way first. Suspect there will be a second wave in April. If they can’t get a couple of Tory’s soon it will stay a Labour split I imagine and that will make it harder to win blue votes.

hinely · 18/02/2019 22:23

TalkIP - he is a politician and thus interested in prolonging his career. He has already stated that a second ref is an option. All politicians are playing the waiting game before playing their cards. There will likely be an extension and then a vote for a second referendum. Deep down May wants Brexit cancelled but has to play it out. Corbyn would probably prefer Brexit but his party doesn't so he'll go with staying.

IrmaFayLear · 18/02/2019 22:27

Was chatting to an old Labour bloke recently who knew JC from way back. He said he was vehemently anti-Europe because of the Bilderberg angle - a secret meeting group of the "elite" of Europe whose lofty aims for a united Europe masked a plan for capitalist domination.

He has a bit of a point, really. Do you really think that Junker et al really give a flying wotsit about the citizens of Europe? No, it's all about the money.

TalkinPeece · 18/02/2019 22:29

hinely
There will likely be an extension and then a vote for a second referendum
What on EARTH makes you think it likely that the EU will grant an extension
and why do you want a second vote which might go even stronger for leave

MargueritaPink · 18/02/2019 22:31

Derek Hatton today

Yup, and Labour's journey to generational unelectability is almost complete...

It would be hysterical if it wasn't so tragic

Are Corbyn and McDonnell actually under cover Tories? They are doing their best to ensure Labour won't win an election.

Derek Hatton- words fail me.

jasjas1973 · 18/02/2019 22:42

Do you really think that Junker et al really give a flying wotsit about the citizens of Europe?

Yes i do, to differing degrees, Europe has a lot closer ties to revolution and war than we do.
I believe Junckers father (along with 10000s of other europeans) was arrested by the Nazis and forced to fight on the Russian front., where he was wounded, the uk press tried to paint Juncker as having a Nazi for a father.......

I think they understand the fragility of peace a lot better than we do.

jasjas1973 · 18/02/2019 22:47

Deep down May wants Brexit cancelled but has to play it out

Well, if her political adviser is JK Rowling, then yes, May could surprise us all with a final chapter dramatic twist but in the real world, all Mays actions indicate a hardcore brexitier.

Cattenberg · 18/02/2019 23:16

@Andromeida59

Anti Semitism is rife in the party. I've seen it, reported it and resigned because of it.

Would you be able to share any examples of this? I don’t mean naming names etc, but just general examples of what party members said or did. I’m only asking because when news reports talk about anti-Semitism in the Labour Party, they normally don’t give any details, which makes it hard to understand what’s actually going on.

Gth1234 · 18/02/2019 23:21

The worst think by far is that these nonentities are still seeking to overturn the will of the people with their neverendum.

We shouldn't have joined, and we should be pleased we are leaving. We don't need a deal.

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longwayoff · 18/02/2019 23:49

Yes gth1234, Swindon decided it didn't need a deal and the foreigners should all bugger off, 74 percent leave. So Japanese Honda has said fine, see you later little Englanders. 2000 jobs will be leaving with us. Nothing at all to do with Brexit of course. Nothing whatsoever.

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longwayoff · 18/02/2019 23:52

Correction. 54.7 per cent. Apologies Swindon.

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ginghambox · 18/02/2019 23:55

just leave this here.

Anyone leaving Labour party with Chuka and his mates?
Gingerkittykat · 19/02/2019 00:02

Labour has been in freefall for years up here, with the SNP having moved to the left of Labour. They are tired, splintered and reduced to sagging off everyone as they have no ideas of their own.

@TooManyPaws

I 100% agree, I follow my local Labour party and they are an absolute shambles. My local councillor is a fantastic guy, ex miner, old style Labour and heavily involved in the community but the rest are a bunch of idiots. I also agree that all of their campaigning is based on slagging the SNP off and that just turns me off. The Labour party seem dead in Scotland.

I seriously swithered over whether or not to vote Labour in the last GE. I want a Labour government in Westminster but they are just too much of a disaster to vote for. I do worry about the SNP seats giving the tories a majority though.

KoraBora · 19/02/2019 00:05

Cattenberg

It only ever seems to be Jews that need to explain why they believe something to be anti-Semitic. It would be considered unacceptable to state to any other group that what they perceived to be racism wasn't.

If you are genuine there is an article already posted in this thread which details many instances of anti-Semitism.

Skirmisher · 19/02/2019 00:05

We shouldn't have joined, and we should be pleased we are leaving. We don't need a deal.

Now hop around on your left leg 100 times whilst chanting 'I do believe in Brexits'.

Good, little brexiter.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/02/2019 00:22

Derek Hatton today ... Labour's journey to generational unelectability is almost complete

Quite

They remind me of a bunch of adolescents, yelling "I'll show you!! And anyway you can't tell me what to do!!" Which with Jeremy's rebel mentality probably isn't far off the mark ...