Anyone leaving Labour party with Chuka and his mates?

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I am seriously worried. Politics across the West is an utter mess - thanks Putin, nice work - and I can't see that this will help. It will split the left vote and right-wing ideology will continue stomping its way to more power. We are asterisked all ways from hell to breakfast.

The parallels between what's happening now and the 1930s continue to horrify and anger me.

Does no one read history books anymore?

Is the rise of fascism not taught in schools anymore?

Isolationism has always coincided with caused global recessions and the rise of radicalisation/far right.

See trump and Brexit.

How can people not see this?

Fascism handbook:

1.Promote austerity towards the most vulnerable.

2.Blame the "other" (the disabled, the ethnic minority, the poor) for their poverty/vulnerability.

3.Promote violence against the "others" lucky we have fb and Twitter now, right??

4.Blame "globalisation" the Jews

1. Deem anyone who dares disagree a "traitor".

Sound familiar??

Because it does to me.

And I'm scared.

bishop I'm not a labour supporter but I cannot imagine anyone leaves one of the the two major parties in a fptp system in hope of gaining personally, particulary if you are only doing it with six others. It is the exact opposite of a good career move.

These seven have done this for themselves, not through altruism

They have done it because they don't believe the direction of the party under Corbyn, they are perfectly entitled to do so, Corbyn has had months to sort this out, but his 'prinicipals' over Brexit/anti semitism and even just holding the Tories to account has led to this situation.

@67chevvyimpala I was going to say the same earlier, but tbh I predicted the hardships disabled people were facing back in 2010, what universal credit would do to ordinary families, I predicted how they'd fragment the NHS and run it into the ground and on these boards I was called a 'frothing beserker'

I've said several times that it's getting like the 30s, but just got Godwin parroted back at me. Considering Godwin himself has said he's cancelled his own law in this political climate then meh.

The fragmenting of the left ushering in further and further right wing is also familiar to the 30s.

Yet people won't hear it. They refuse to learn from history.

These seven have done this for themselves, not through altruism.

Yep. Article from 2005.

Miss Berger has been repeatedly described as a future Labour leader. However, as she talked it was unclear how she would fit into the identikit world of New Labour where rising female stars tend to be shorn-haired and more than a little dull.

and

She has been offered a job with management consultants but is wondering whether to go into politics. Labour Party, you have been warned.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1487989/Labour-should-have-fought-back-on-immigration-says-Euan-Blairs-girlfriend.html

Tories get in, we suffer further
Corbyn will not win a general election he is currently even less popular than May which is a hell of an achievement. The Labour party cannot continue as it is.
So agitate for a change of leader? Rather than consigning a party that will actually do something about it to the bin
People have been doing that for month's the cult of Corbyn won't allow any criticism of the chosen one. The Labour party should be more than one man no ne should be beyond criticism but yet too many elements of the party think he should be.
People who can see how ruinous Corbyn is for Labour have been told for too long well if you don't like it fuck off, well guess what we did!

67chevvyimpala late 1920s Weimar - but yes I see your point.

Add in the great Brexit myth 'Brexit would be wonderful but it was ruined by the elite' and the 'none of this is your fault' ideology and there are a number of similarities.

Also, dislike and distrust of all politicians and lack of faith in the political system. Pushing the view that we need a strong leader.

I think the difference is that the Tories are well known to be racist xenophobic, misogynistic and anti semitic.

It's sort of a given. Some seem pretty proud of it tbh. Like that Tory party member who calls Sam gyiamah "sambo". Not unusual.

I and many others expected more from labour.

Every single thing I've heard/seen today convince me those 7 MPs have done the right thing.

I’m really hoping this is the start of something big. Like many here, I have voted Labour since forever but feel pushed out by all JC’s “woke” followers, who react to anyone who even slightly questions JC’s policies by shouting “fascist/Tory/Nazi”. They’re ridiculous. The complete lack of position on Brexit and acquiescence on the GRA sealed it for me.

Corbyn is a Tory mole enabling a hard Brexit.
His economic policies involve borrowing from my grand children
and he has no intellectual rigour or capacity.
Sadly his grip on the party due to the stupid rule changes brought in by Ed Millibrain is absolute.
It is a crying shame

Ed Milliband was apparently unelectable too so for those whinging about Corbyn you reap what you sow. Or you could blame the press for attacks on Labour leader after Labour leader.

Labour are no worse than the conservatives
bird again, this isn’t what I wrote. I wrote that they are no worse with regard to antisemitism. I agree this is sad. However, they are much, much better on pretty much any other measure, wouldn’t you agree?
People keep half reading. Nobody is minimising or excusing, just pointing out that as a way to differentiate between Labour and anyone else it isn’t really relevant.

I’m not in the slightest bit bothered about what he wears. It’s his lack of leadership that bothers me - his lack of will/ability to sort out the anti-semitism and mysogyny within the party, to draw people together even when they don’t share all his views and to get the party to a position where it is electable.

The Labour Party may or may not be worse than other parties in its anti-semitism but I expect better from it. Our leaders should be role-models, and he isn’t.

Oh but it's ok Ghost, let's just keep on playing personality politics.
I want a party that opposes austerity, that undoes the damage done to the poorest and gets them out of the grip of needing food banks. A party that makes sure rents are fair and landlords maintain their properties to a decent standard. A party that makes sure the public sector is properly structured and funded and not slashed to the bone.

A party that undoes the last 8 years of horrendous damage and the steady slide further and further to the right.

During the coalition new labour MPs voted with the coalition for welfare reform and public spending reviews that caused these cuts. I won't forget and I won't forgive, they actively made life worse for millions.

We desperately needed a proper opposition, I think that's how momentum rose so quickly to be honest, those like me who saw their MPs going further and further right and wanted to stop that.

I'm not entirely happy with the leadership but I'm desperate for someone to just do something, and I don't trust these seven because of what new labour mps have done in the past.

Ghost Eh? So she could have gone and been a management consultant and earned double an MPs salary for less work and no abuse, yet she chose to be an MP? That kind of sounds like the opposite of self-interested.

PPs had it right: there is little less careerist an MP can do than resigning from one of the major parties under a FPTP system

Evening, all.
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Kim

The press. Owned by people such as Murdoch. Hmmmm why would they be so scared of a more left wing party in power?

Windowsareforcheaters If MPs are individuals in parliament, how do you explain the three line whip, which is an instruction to attend and vote according to a party's policy and which, if ignored, could result in the whip being withdrawn?

blame the press for attacks on Labour leader after Labour leader
That's straight out of the Trump playbook.

Corbyn has condemned himself with his own inflexibility and stupid actions.

If MPs are individuals in parliament, how do you explain the three line whip, which is an instruction to attend and vote according to a party's policy and which, if ignored, could result in the whip being withdrawn?
Well Corbyn ignored his own party whip hundreds of times

but now expects loyalty

That's straight out of the Trump playbook.

No its based on history. The Murdoch press have won every UK election since 1979.

There is a difference from Trump opposing any criticism of him personally and a media machine hell bent on keeping Labour (regardless of leader) out of power.

Do you honestly think Momentum cares about you, BishopBrennansArse ? It's an ideological machine, not a caring movement. I think you are sadly deluded if you think that life is going to be rosy for you the minute Corbyn steps into No.10.

It's an ideological machine

As is most politics. Brexit is ideology. Austerity is ideology.

Snore and yawn at "media machine". How many people read newspapers today? It is social media that has the influence today and yet still old 'uns go on about "the Murdoch press" as if it were the 80s.