Anyone leaving Labour party with Chuka and his mates?

[longwayoff]

I am seriously worried. Politics across the West is an utter mess - thanks Putin, nice work - and I can't see that this will help. It will split the left vote and right-wing ideology will continue stomping its way to more power. We are asterisked all ways from hell to breakfast.

they should have the balls to stand for a by election

Perhaps you could join Chuka for drinkies in his private members club?

He might even let you have a sip of the vintage Cognac he gets to keep in his own private locker?

I'm not surprised he's ''ashamed to be a member of the Labour party''

I think the anti-semitism is over-hyped and no worse than other party (ie bad, but not a reason to vote against Labour)

Oh FFS.

I think the anti-semitism is over-hyped and no worse than other party (ie bad, but not a reason to vote against Labour)

I believe the members and MP's say they have been targeted with antisemitic hate, should Corbyn have tackled it faster and harder absolutely, is he himself antisemitic I've not seen ant evidence of that, if theres evidence of it please post the links

Do I believe the right wing side of the media care when they run antisemitic articles on people like George Soros nope fraid I dont just seems a bit weaponised at that point and even Facebook have come under fire for this

And Mike Gapes @jemihap did he just leave because of his private members club too?

Keep us updated jemihap, are people who drink cognac now part of the evil elite, the rules change so quickly these days.

I don't like cognac so I'm okay for now, but I'm buggered once bourbon drinkers are identified as the elite.

I also don't think the anti-semitism is a reason not to vote labour...well unless you can find any other parties to vote for that don't have just as much anti-semitism!

It is bad. Its very bad. But the other parties are the same...so its not as issue it makes sense to differentiate on...

see also racism and sexism. They are all as shit as each other.

I'll just leave this here ...not keen on the source, but the examples are valid nonetheless:

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/labours-pockets-of-anti-semitism-the-evidence/

Windowsareforcheaters

Thank you for explaining to us simpletons what we are voting for and believe it or not we do understand the voting process. When making our decision a little detail such as what political party these individuals are part of is a big deciding factor.

I'll just leave this here ...not keen on the source, but the examples are valid nonetheless:

electronicintifada.net/content/jeremy-corbyn-must-stop-pandering-labours-israel-lobby/23731

Those insisting that we vote for individuals are wrong - its not called party politics for nothing.

I vote Tory. If my good friend decided to stand as a Labour candidate in my constituency there is no way I would vote for her because I strongly disagree with their policies and beliefs. I vote for an individual, but it's the one who represents the party I want to see in Government.

In addition who is it, do you think, who pays for all the expensive advertising, who pays for the local branch office, and all the costs associated?

There is nothing individual about our political system.

I hate to harp on about the "splitting the vote" thing not stacking up, but I've started so I might as well carry on shouting into an abyss ...

For splitting the "left wing" vote to be the thing that stops Corbyn-led Labour winning the next election, you have to assume that:

A) third party/independent candidates take away votes from Corbyn-led Labour - fair assumption
B) In the absence of any candidates standing as a new party or independent, the Corbyn-led Labour vote would be maintained in Labour-Tory marginals and increased in Tory-Labour marginals - absolutely not a fair assumption

If you're splitting from Labour, you've already concluded that B is not going to happen.

(To be fair, the way this changes is if the Labour strategy is to assume their current vote holds up and they can get the extra votes needed from increasing turnout in Tory-Labour marginals amongst people who haven't voted before, rather than winning over people who voted Tory or Lib Dem last time. But I don't think that's a strategy that stacks up at all, so it doesn't change my view that the splitting the vote thing won't make a material difference)

We can both link opinion pieces bias is still bias

I vote for the individual I want to represent me, I may exclude someone on the basis of their party but I won't vote for someone because they are in a party. I may be in a minority but I won't be alone.

We had a referendum and PR fortunately lost

We had a referendum on whether to switch to the Alternative Vote method. AV is not PR. It depresses me how many voters didn’t understand this, including a very intelligent, successful and politically aware friend of mine.

Those insisting that we vote for individuals are wrong - its not called party politics for nothing

You just don't get it do you?

That's what you think you are doing, but legally you aren't.

Legally the MP is in Parliament in their own right - that's why there is not legal need for a by election.

You think you are voting for a party, but legally and constitutionally you are voting for a person.

This is the law. You can dislike it, you can disagree with it but you can't deny it is actually the case.

(Also, the whole "left vote is split between Labour and lib dems and it always lets the Tories into government" thing also isn't really true. It's been a while since I looked at the figures but a fair proportion of lib dem voters repeatedly report that they would veer Conservative over Labour if no LD option; plus there are very few Labour-LD marginal seats. You could in fact argue that LDs help the "left wing" share of parliamentary seats by providing a soft left option in seats which would otherwise be safe Tory seats (e.g. much of the SW) But this is definitely now in the realms of "harping on"...)

@mrsglowglow you can make your decision however you choose. You can base it on the colour of their eyes - I don't care.

My point is that there is no legal need for a by election because legally we elect individuals.

My point is that there is no legal need for a by election because legally we elect individuals.

Ok, but they were voted for as individuals on the labour 2017 manifesto, they no longer agree with Labours position so they should seek a by election so that they can be voted for as individuals on their own manifesto does that help windowsareforcheaters?

Windows we know there is no legal requirement to call a by election and I don't recall anyone on here say this. I just feel as they have made this spectacular gesture they should stand and let people decide if 5hey agree with what they now stand for.

I also don't think the anti-semitism is a reason not to vote labour...well unless you can find any other parties to vote for that don't have just as much anti-semitism!

It is bad. Its very bad. But the other parties are the same...so its not as issue it makes sense to differentiate on...

So why are Jewish groups, representatives and the Jewish press protesting about Labour and not any other party? Why aren’t Jewish Tory MPs being hounded out by activists in their party and Jewish Tory members not ripping up their membership cards?

I just read that poster saying anti semitism reason was bad but not a reason not to vote labour and was a little bit sick in my mouth.
Truly disgusting.