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AIBU to think that the IS bride would never have been allowed the freedoms she has, unless they have a grander plan?

338 replies

Sureyouwill · 17/02/2019 20:45

I just find it all a bit suspicious.
She looks dopey or doped.
Her interview was very rehearsed.
They want to get her back here for nefarious reasons.
They would not have allowed her to speak to press.
She is a willing accomplice in a grander plan?

OP posts:
Evilspiritgin · 18/02/2019 10:21

By the way Seline just so you understand it wouldn’t have mattered to me if she was fucking white, after what she’s been party too she can stay where she is and rot

DioneTheDiabolist · 18/02/2019 10:22

I think if she was part of a plot and had been coached, she would have played it better. With lots of tears and "they forced me to..." and "please let me come homequipped I just want to see my mum and dad".

That would have worked better than the cold, rather disassociative way she comes across.

snowbear66 · 18/02/2019 10:28

Yes, she is a British citizen, we have no choice but to allow her back.
But is the baby?
I'm not saying we should not bring the child to the UK but just wondering what the legal status of the child is?

alwaysreadthelabel · 18/02/2019 10:28

I did some pretty stupid shit at 15. I didn't go and join and marry a fucking terrorist though. Jesus. Some people on this thread.

She has made her choices and she has to live with them. If she comes back the baby should he taken away from her and she should be put in prison under a watchful eye. You could never ever trust her.

dustarr73 · 18/02/2019 10:30

@Seline thats a disgusting comparison.She went out herslef and joined Is.The poor girl of Rotterham where raped,didnt have a choice

She did,she went on her sister passport,and willingly joined a terrorist group.Just because she never went out and killed anyone doesnt make her any less dangerous.

VietnameseCrispyFish · 18/02/2019 10:42

Lifecraft Jihadi John (I believe his name was Mohammed Emwazi) wasn’t white. He was Asian.

Does anyone else here feel like a few posters watched a news bulletin and are now experts on the legalities of this situation?

I don’t see anyone claiming to be an expert. I do see a poster who has egg on her face now as she’s made a post to froth over something she knows very little about, and when she’s been informed that many of the things she’s frothing about (‘who is the “they” that’s keeping her from her husband??’) are public knowledge you could easily have accessed with a quick google search.

Bit odd that you wouldn’t want people with more knowledge on a case you apparently care so much about to contribute eh. Almost makes me wonder why you bothered making this thread.

BejamNostalgia · 18/02/2019 10:57

Honestly, this thread just how fucked we are as a country. People are willing to tie themselves into knots to defend this woman and justify her actions.

But the OP is apparently a bastard for questioning her story on the internet.

Somewhere along the line some people’s priorities appear to have become very twisted.

M4J4 · 18/02/2019 11:02

And she can fuck off if she thinks my money is going to send a posse in to rescue her, fly her back home and monitor her for the next 10 years. The Queen just about receives that treatment!
A treasonest, delusioned, brain-washed, murderous half-wit? Hell no.

You don't get to decide if she is rescued. Keep your beak out.

And it's 'treasonous' and 'delusional', not 'treasonest and delusioned', those aren't even words Confused Hmm

OhDearGodLookAtThisMess · 18/02/2019 11:09

I'm getting more than a bit fed up with the number of posters on these threads who are accusing people of only objecting to terrorists on account of them being "brown."

BejamNostalgia · 18/02/2019 11:21

Yes, DearGod, not least because the people ISIS made suffer most were ‘brown’ and I’m mad as hell about how their lives and country were torn apart.

Lifecraft · 18/02/2019 11:23

I'm getting more than a bit fed up with the number of posters on these threads who are accusing people of only objecting to terrorists on account of them being "brown."

Absolutely spot on. Like, the IRA were really popular back with us all in the day because they were white!!! I bloody loved the Bader Meinhoff gang, decent fair haired blue eyes murderers! No one had a bad word to say about them. Grin

Lifecraft · 18/02/2019 11:26

Lifecraft Jihadi John (I believe his name was Mohammed Emwazi) wasn’t white. He was Asian.

OK, I'll take your word for it. The fact that I didn't know if he was white or not, but still laughed like a drain when he got blown to smithereens by a US drone strike, just proves that I don't care about his race, I just was glad he was dead.

ineedaknittedhat · 18/02/2019 11:56

The domestic cat can harbour a parasite which is passed to rodents. The parasite infects the brain and causes the rodent to lose its natural fear of cats. Any cat can then catch the rodent. It's a self destructive process.

Much like liberalism. Why people are advocating that this individual is treated with kid gloves is beyond me. It's rather like sucking up to, and being an apologist for, the school bully.

Knitwit101 · 18/02/2019 12:07

Is it just my mum who thinks there was no baby in that blanket

I'm with your mum there. Seems mighty coincidental that a journalist found her, which can't have been easy, just days before she gave birth.

Anyway, if she makes it to a British Embassy or whatever then we need to take her back. But she shouldn't be given any official help to get back, unless it's from her family.

I feel for her family, what a mess.

MadCatEnthusiast · 18/02/2019 12:11

The baby cried, you could hear it crying midway through.

alwaysreadthelabel · 18/02/2019 12:13

As far as I know and I haven't looked it up, she can't be done for treason as the treason act as it stands has to be against the crown. It was brought in to protect the sovereign alone.

I am sure she has committed numerous other offences that she can be held on though.

Lizzie48 · 18/02/2019 12:20

Her family want her to come back because they don't want their grandchild to be raised to become a soldier for ISIS. Which I can understand.

I have no empathy for her, though.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/02/2019 12:24

some bleeding heart might (aid her escape), but you won't see most people rushing to her aid

Trouble is, it doesn't need a whole bunch of people - just one virtue signalling idiot to get her the mere 60 miles to the border

And I do wish we could start putting "alleged" in front of claims that Shamima's lost two children, just had another and so on. Given some of the choices she's made, it really doesn't seem beyond the bounds of possibility that she's lying in the hope of sympathy

Knitwit101 · 18/02/2019 12:32

The baby cried, you could hear it crying midway through

A baby cried. Not necessarily hers.

I watched her interview again and I think she sounded really sad. Not victorious or gloaty or challenging or dangerous or superior, just sad.
If I was her mum I would feel so desperate and helpless.

brassbrass · 18/02/2019 12:35

Legally speaking she surrendered her passport to IS and joined their 'State'. Why is anyone still entertaining her British citizenship? She rejected it, surely at that point any legal obligations should have become redundant. New crimes require new laws we need to stop acting like previous measures are going to work in this scenario. Citing that international law doesn't allow a person to become stateless is not a solution.

Equally her choices for her 2 dead children question her suitability to keep this latest child. She is not capable of making sensible decisions for herself nevermind a baby. In other circumstances she would have her child removed and if she were to return this should definitely be one of the many conditions.

OhDearGodLookAtThisMess · 18/02/2019 12:37

I thought her mum had died? Or was that one of the other girls?

minionsrule · 18/02/2019 12:47

Ok so like so many on here i am not an expert at all and probably don't know as much of the story as others so i will ask a really basic question around motives.
From what people are saying ISIS is almost a spent force.... lots of fighters either dead or captured and her husband is alleged to be one of those captured.... is that about right? She says she wants to come home so her 3rd baby doesn't die like the other 2.
If that is right then you have to ask does she want to come back for the baby or is it because there is nothing left for her now and no one to look after her. If the 'family' were still a power would she even think about wanting to come home. .... appreciate that might not have been an option but for me the reason is why now.... i am not convinced the baby is the driving factor here sadly

Justanotherlurker · 18/02/2019 12:48

Why is anyone still entertaining her British citizenship?

Because it would mean we had to acknowledge IS as a legitimate state iirc

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/02/2019 12:51

OhDearGod it's reported that her mum died of cancer, that her father remarried and that she then lived with her uncle and aunt before leaving for Turkey/Syria

brassbrass · 18/02/2019 12:52

My point is if someone actively rejects their citizenship by surrendering their passport we should acknowledge and deal with that irrelevant of whether IS were a legitimate state or not. That's where new laws need to come in.