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AIBU to think that the IS bride would never have been allowed the freedoms she has, unless they have a grander plan?

338 replies

Sureyouwill · 17/02/2019 20:45

I just find it all a bit suspicious.
She looks dopey or doped.
Her interview was very rehearsed.
They want to get her back here for nefarious reasons.
They would not have allowed her to speak to press.
She is a willing accomplice in a grander plan?

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Seline · 18/02/2019 07:05

She was in touch and conversing with Aqsa Mahmood I think her name is, a known groomer for IS.

MaybeitsMaybelline · 18/02/2019 07:28

She is still unrepentant. Saying people should feel sorry for her. How many other IS wives are in that camp waiting for a ticket and escort back to Europe? I hope no one helps her return to the UK, but she will come back, have a new identity and live happily for another sixty or more years off the tax payer.

If she finds her way back she should be tried for high treason and spend a life sentence in prison.

GoGoGadgetGin · 18/02/2019 07:50

Interesting that she doesnt have any paperwork to prove who she is... And family are seeking someone to take some over, as pp said new identity going to be offered?

Beerincomechampagnetastes · 18/02/2019 07:55

Is it possible that she is not condemning IS and the beheading etc because it is not safe for her to do so while she’s in the refugee camp?

explodingkitten · 18/02/2019 08:02

The baby's father was/is Dutch apparently - why isn''t she trying to get into Holland and she can stop with her husband's family?

High probability of being prosecuted here.

NaturalBornWoman · 18/02/2019 08:04

This is a woman whose utopia looks like hell on earth to most people and who actively sought a way to get as involved as she could at 15 years old. She agrees with the ideology still, so routinely be heading non believers, violently murdering gay people, raping and beating women who don't conform to the ridiculous dress code, stoning women to death for the crime of being raped, mowing down innocent people with trucks, blowing teenagers to bits at concerts....and now she's cynically exploiting the press. I don't think there needs to be a grand plan, the ideology, the lying and exploiting to achieve the maniacal aim is entrenched within her.

explodingkitten · 18/02/2019 08:04

Also, the dutch take a dim view of people who joined ISIS

yikesanotherbooboo · 18/02/2019 08:14

She is British and should therefore come back.the DFail branch of the press and followers are always up in arms about murderous Eastern Europeans etc calling for them to be 'sent back'...
she is entitled to come back and to face the law here.
She was a victim , a child, and has witnessed and experienced utter horror. Ok she may pose a danger, we don't know , but we have a responsibility to her. The benefit will be that her child can live with his family and hopefully live to adulthood in a safe and liberal society. Her parents will know she is alive.

WyclefJohn · 18/02/2019 08:22

All this speculation in the press and by people on the internet. In this case, can't we let the authorities, who can gather the facts and make a proper assessment of her criminality and risk be given the chance to get on with their job. We can't possibly know what she's been through, whether she is a threat or not, and whether she should or shouldn't lose her British passport?

CarolDanvers · 18/02/2019 08:23

The masses baying for blood are just awful, including all you lot above.

No ones “baying for blood”. They just don’t want her back her and are saying so. Silly hyperbole

badlydrawnperson · 18/02/2019 08:24

OP I agree her behaviour and what she said don't stack up, but I don't think it's part of some dastardly ISIS plot to send her back. She is just delusional.

Ragnarthe · 18/02/2019 08:25

Tbh I don't think she is any kind of criminal mastermind. If she was she would have said she regretted everything and saw the error of her ways. As it is, everytime she opens her mouth it gets worse.

Whether we like it or not she is a British citizen and has the right to return here. It's the law. If she has committed a crime then she will be prosecuted.

It is probably better to have her here so that the security services can monitor her activities and contacts.

Sureyouwill · 18/02/2019 08:26

I don't read the Daily Fail. It's bizarre to me that it appears to be readers of it who condemn it. Have never read it, so really don't get the venom.
No, she should not come back here. No efforts to rescue her should be made. She has a few times mentioned not having money. I have no doubt that that is in an attempt to get people to send her some!
She would love to go back to her husband, if 'they' allowed her to contact him. She must know who 'they' are.
Get a few grand together, and hopefully, she'll be back in the arms of her husband. Far far away.

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badlydrawnperson · 18/02/2019 08:26

whether she should or shouldn't lose her British passport?

That isn't in the gift of the British authorities even if they wanted to - and as others have said, for better or worse, she is our problem.

toastonlytoast · 18/02/2019 08:28

She WAS British.... I don't care how old she was when she left but as soon as she decided she was going she wasn't British anymore! She wasn't a 6 year old child being forced... she knew what she was doing. I don't believe a word that comes out her mouth. She should stay out there... she made her bed. Why should the British public pay millions in protection and housing her feeding her looking after her etc when she turned her back on us? And just what if she came back and did do something or planned something and killed innocent people here? No thanks we don't want her....

Sureyouwill · 18/02/2019 08:33

She doesn't look starved, but she does look like she's either on MH meds or is doped out of her tits. Either way, she doesn't fucking need money. She appears to be well looked after.

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VietnameseCrispyFish · 18/02/2019 08:34

Nobody should be put at risk trying to go and get Shamima imo, but if she does manage to make her way back to the U.K. we have a legal responsibility to take her in and deal with her.

I actually feel some empathy for her, despite her beliefs and actions. She willingly went to join a group who openly and proudly commit the most horrific crimes against other human beings, I condemn that of course (and I don’t think fifteen is really young enough for people to say she didn’t know what she was doing, at fifteen I had a very strong sense of my own values and morals that I’ve held well into adulthood, she clearly believed what she did very strongly to go to the lengths she did and I don’t think you can attribute that to her age), but similarly I can still feel empathy for what her life must be like now, having watched her children die and being held in a refugee camp, and I can’t say if I were in her position I wouldn’t be doing anything I could to get back to England.

None of us have a clue whether she genuinely does believe in or condemn IS ideology whatever she says in her interview, she’s not likely to openly condemn them when she’s being held securely in an area full of fled IS supporters, that would be dangerous and foolish in the extreme.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if she is telling others where she is that she’s going to try and get back here to carry out terrorist acts, either because she is or because she figures once she’s back here she’s safe. I do think she poses a huge danger to us. But as the law stands if she is able to get back to the U.K. we will have to deal with it whether we like it or not.

FishCanFly · 18/02/2019 08:34

I'm starting to think this is all fake and a distraction. Way too much attention. Something else going on? Brexit related?

VietnameseCrispyFish · 18/02/2019 08:34

toastonlytoast she is still British. That’s a legal fact, it’s not down to your opinion.

VietnameseCrispyFish · 18/02/2019 08:35

I find it odd how she looks very well fed yet she’s allegedly lost two children to malnutrition. I guess we don’t know how long she’s been in this camp being fed, compared to conditions back in Syria before she fled.

Sureyouwill · 18/02/2019 08:36

And she can fuck off if she thinks my money is going to send a posse in to rescue her, fly her back home and monitor her for the next 10 years. The Queen just about receives that treatment!
A treasonest, delusioned, brain-washed, murderous half-wit? Hell no.

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youarenotkiddingme · 18/02/2019 08:38

I'm struggling to form an opinion either way on this one.

On one hand I cannot understand why she wants to return to the UK to love amongst people she despises. Unless she wants to live within Muslim communities? However I very much doubt most of those will accept her either for her extreme views.

On the other hand I wonder how much she's still brainwashed and could have support to form more humanly accepted views of life. Or is she saying those things as she's afraid to speak out against IS whilst in the camp?

This thread has been an interesting read to see all evidence and all opinions.

Ragnarthe · 18/02/2019 08:41

She would love to go back to her husband, if 'they' allowed her to contact him. She must know who 'they' are.

They are the YPG or similar who have him in custody. He is in a prison.

VietnameseCrispyFish · 18/02/2019 08:41

On one hand I cannot understand why she wants to return to the UK to love amongst people she despises. Unless she wants to live within Muslim communities? However I very much doubt most of those will accept her either for her extreme views.

We have the NHS, running water, shelter, etc. I reckon she wanted to live in Syria under IS rule, but now that’s not an option and she’s being held indefinitely in a refugee camp and she’s unlikely to ever see her husband again she’s starting to sober up a bit and realises that her only hope of a decent life is to come back.

DonaldTwain · 18/02/2019 08:41

She strikes me as some kind of sociopath. Someone who can witness those horrors first hand and be cool with it - surely a strong possibility of personality disorder there. If she makes her way back, assessment, secure unit and adoption of child would seem to be the way forward.

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