AIBU to think that the IS bride would never have been allowed the freedoms she has, unless they have a grander plan?

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I just find it all a bit suspicious.
She looks dopey or doped.
Her interview was very rehearsed.
They want to get her back here for nefarious reasons.
They would not have allowed her to speak to press.
She is a willing accomplice in a grander plan?

Vietnam no she's not. She gave up that when she went against her country! If this was a man everyone would be saying he wasn't allowed back in! But not let's feel sorry for her... she's watched people die it hasn't affected her!! Oh go on let's roll out the red carpet treatment for her she's been through enough.... bullsh*t

Ragnarthe They are the YPG or similar who have him in custody. He is in a prison.

Even a cursory google of this case would have shown OP this info.

It’s actually quite concerning how little you know about something you’re so worked up about OP. Are you on a wind up or something? Fair enough nobody needs to be an expert to have an opinion but you’ve stated on this thread ‘you’d be surprised how much I know’ and been aggressive to people pointing out the serious gaps in your understanding, so I don’t really know where your head’s at with this.

She was groomed by her own father before she left - he took her to rallies with Anjem Choudhury and US flag burnings etc. This didn’t happen out of the blue and I’m sure they’re proud of her (source is a telegraph article)

toast, she is British. You do realise that’s a legal fact and that it doesn’t rest on anyone’s view of her actions right? It’s illegal to make someone stateless. She is a British citizen. She could go and commit genocide and she’d still be British. If she had dual citizenship she could have her British citizenship revoked in certain circumstances. But to our knowledge she doesn’t.

Happy to be corrected by more knowledgable posters. But toast, seriously try google.

Is it just my mum who thinks there was no baby in that blanket?!

First of all I don't have much sympathy for the woman and I believe she should be prosecuted should she manage to get home.

As PPs have stated, she's a British citizen and we can't really stop her from coming home. Suggesting that she should try to go to Holland when she's not a Dutch citizen and has family here is a bit daft. She's our problem really.

It doesn't seem like Syria has any interest in prosecuting her or the other IS family members but she's committed a crime here so we would.

We don't really know if she regrets her actions. She's in a camp surrounded by IS family members so it would be daft of her to say that she did.

(As to the points above about how well nourished she seems for someone who’s lost two babies to malnutrition, I have wondered if “malnutrition” actually means “teenager without any support network or knowledge lacking both the NCt and readily available formula” was simply unable (unwilling?) to care for them properly?

@CantWinLotteryIfDontBuyTicket I don't believe the other two children ever existed. And I don't know if I believe that there is a child now.

Seems like she created the perfect sob story.

Ok let's bring her back... because she's she used her sisters passport to flee... so let's bring the poor dear back and waste shit loads of money on her protecting her giving her a house food clothes etc just because she's 'british'. I don't care what a passport says she gave up all rights when she went against her country. I'm not arguing with you Vietnam over this. I personally think the money should be spent on our schools or nhs something that needs it. Not some waste of space who thought ISIS was a better way of life.

No one is suggesting that the UK should spend money bringing her back but if she makes her own way back then the country cannot stop her.

This is going to be controversial, but...

To all those saying she's old enough to know her own mind, do you apply that to the 15 year old Rotherham girls? (Some of them) "willingly" engaged in sexual activity and alcohol and drug use did they not?

My personal opinion is they were groomed and manipulated and just children, but that's my view of Shamima too. Just curious if you apply your principles equally!

Everyone seems to forget that the men and women who moved to Syria to participate in the caliphate destroyed the families and lives of locals. They forced local women to wear the abaya and face veil. They disrupted the local economy, so that people lost their livelihoods. They forced local men to fight for their cause. They forced local women into prostitution. They stole housing so that they could live in it, leaving local people homeless and destitute. They forced children to become suicide bombers. No one who went there is innocent of involvement in these crimes. I know that if I was Syrian or Iraqi then I would want these people to face trial in my country.

There was definitely something very odd about the interview. Maybe it is drugs, maybe it's that she's just given birth. She just seemed very detached and oddly unemotional.

I don't want her back here and I do suspect there is more to her wanting that than she would have us believe. Feel sorry for the baby (if it is hers).

From the Telegraph today: 'SIR – The pain of losing a child must be intolerable.
We should remember all those parents who lost their children while innocently attending a concert in Manchester in 2017: murdered by those Shamima Begum supported.
Juliet Henderson
South Warnborough, Hampshire

she gave up all rights when she went against her country
You’re not understanding what the actual law is I don’t think. She is British and still has rights.

That is not saying she deserves anything beyond that. That’s just the law.

I don't care what a passport says she gave up all rights when she went against her country. I'm not arguing with you Vietnam over this. I personally think the money should be spent on our schools or nhs something that needs it. Not some waste of space who thought ISIS was a better way of life.

You’re conflating two separate issues there, toast. You don’t understand what a right is if you think she ‘gave up all rights’ when she went to Syria. It’s possible both to acknowledge that she is British (whether you like it or not) and that you also feel she shouldn’t be allowed to return/be brought back.

I don't care what a passport says she gave up all rights when she went against her country. I'm not arguing with you Vietnam over this.

Well that’s good, because there is no argument to be had. Shamima is British. That’s a literal provable fact. It’s like arguing we don’t need oxygen to survive. It’s not a matter of your opinion, you are plain wrong.

Why do people hold some sort of emotional attachment to being British? It's a legal status. Whatever crimes Shamima has committed, she is still British. Criminals don't become stateless because of their activities.

She comes across really badly in that video and its not like it has been edited. It ran for 10 mins with very gentle questions from the journo.

She has a terrible attitude. Yes, I had a great time there. I was OK with the beheadings. I don't regret it. I want to come back and you can't lock me up or take away my baby because you have no evidence on me. Wow, WOW! Just who does she think she is. She thinks she is untouchable. She has been brainwashed and she is dangerous even if she does nothing. She will become an icon.

We don't want her here. If we have to take her back, which we do, then she should be prosecuted and have her baby removed from her on arrival.

She is not an innocent party. She may not have brought down a sword on someones head but she is an enabler. She is no different to a get away driver or someone in a support network who contributes to a horrible crime being committed. Above all she is an idiot.

I've read your posts and the depth of your seemingly wilful ignorance is only matched by the misplaced confidence in your completely uninformed views.

This is the best post I've read on here!

She is a British citizen, if she makes her way back to the UK she has to be allowed back . Where else would she go? Why the hell should other countries deal with our citizens who are problematic for whatever reason. Whatever she has done, it has to be dealt with here, we can't just say someone else can deal with it.

We don't have to 'bring her back' but if she makes her way her she absolutely will be allowed back and as a country is is our duty to deal with her and not try to foist the problem on someone else by refusing her entry. Why on earth anyone would think we could or even should actually refuse her entry to her own country is beyond me

Blimey we really have become the no 'responsibility' generation

Under international law she has to be allowed back. Like it or not, she's a British. citizen with no dual nationality anywhere else.

However, how she will be able to make it back is anyone's guess. There are no British consular services in Syria and I doubt very much that there's any handy public transport she can just hop on to. She doesn't have a valid passport, since even if it hasn't been lost or destroyed, i gather that she stole her elder sister's passport to get there in the first place.

A govt. spokesman has already said that they are not going to risk anyone else's life by sending them out to a dangerous area to bring her back.

Having said that, I would put money on her eventually making it back. She'll be extensively interviewed and de-radicalised (they hope) and will then v likely need protection from far right extremists, while I dare say she'll then be living off benefits - all courtesy of the taxpayer..

Won't Turkey or Syria have grounds for prosecution as she entered the country under a failed passport?

Someone asked upthread about grooming and their methods - read Anna Erelle Under the Skin of Jihadist. It is chilling. I can see why girls would be taken in completely and utterly. It is no different to any other form of other grooming and remember we are dealing with teenagers whose brains are not fully developed especially the rational decision making side which doesn’t mature until your twenties.

She is a British citizen, if she makes her way back to the UK she has to be allowed back . Where else would she go? Why the hell should other countries deal with our citizens who are problematic for whatever reason. Whatever she has done, it has to be dealt with here, we can't just say someone else can deal with it.

The funny thing is, the people shouting ‘no don’t let her come back’ are almost always the same people demanding foreign born criminals who commit crime in the U.K. be sent back to their home country to be dealt with. Some real failure to apply logic there.

@SelineThis is going to be controversial, but... To all those saying she's old enough to know her own mind, do you apply that to the 15 year old Rotherham girls? (Some of them) "willingly" engaged in sexual activity and alcohol and drug use did they not?

My personal opinion is they were groomed and manipulated and just children, but that's my view of Shamima too. Just curious if you apply your principles equally!

If any of the Rotherham girls had said "I'm 19 now, and I really like screwing older Asian men, but I no longer want to do it in Rotherham because it's a bit crap here. Can I please be rehoused in Kensington?", then I think you might have a point. But I don't think that's happened!