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To regularly check my 14 year old's phone

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Frazzels · 06/02/2019 09:42

14 year old DD has had a phone since she was 10 but I've always monitored what she does. She didn't mind it up until recently and she's saying her friend's parents don't do this. I'm doing it because she could access anything through that phone, I just want to make sure she's being sensible with it and she's safe. It does feel a bit like an invasion of her privacy and most people I know with DC of a similar age don't do this

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PBo83 · 06/02/2019 11:42

"I'm expecting secondary school children to have the moral compass "

  • You've met secondary school children right?
Oblomov19 · 06/02/2019 11:44

PBo, surely you Want exactly that?
your relationship to be close enough so they have the guts to tell you when they've done actually something they shouldn't of?

That takes real courage. and the closeness of relationship with your parent.

isn't that exactly what you want?

lljkk · 06/02/2019 11:46

Unless she deletes all the msgs & her browsing history, PBo83. DD's friends did this regularly (when had parents who demanded right to check phone). It was 2nd nature to them.

Could just as easily argue that you are naive to think that they won't hide what they're doing if they think you disapprove. They will ask their friends for advice how to hide it from parents. No shortage of info online how to do it, too.

Oblomov19 · 06/02/2019 11:46

Well. Yes. I'm trying. Very trying. Wink
With Ds1 currently. And soon Ds2.

So yes, I'm in the very midst of it now.

Comefromaway · 06/02/2019 11:48

I have been told by school, the police and social services that a responsible parent should monitor their teenagers phones.

Whilst monitoring my ds's phone I came across an instant where a couple of his freiends were either being groomed or they were certainly being sent inappropriate messages. My son had blocked the person but his friends were trying to persuade him to unblock them because "we know he is genuine, he is sorry, he just wants to make friends etc etc)

Oblomov19 · 06/02/2019 11:51

"I have been told by school, the police and social services that a responsible parent should monitor their teenagers phones."

Is that post, after a safeguarding issue/investigation? Re grooming and abuse?

Or is it just a standard stance? From all schools. All police forces? All of SS. To all parents. All children?

Because I don't support that view. On a general level.

Oblomov19 · 06/02/2019 11:53

Think I'll take a break. Sorry for hogging. I clearly feel too far the other way.

Comefromaway · 06/02/2019 11:56

It is a standard stance (in our area at least)

malvinandhobbes · 06/02/2019 11:56

I don't. I thought I would, but it feels like a great invasion of privacy and so I don't. We've never fought about it, I just find that I don't even want to ask. I just have to trust them.

We do have it set that I have to approve apps, and I do say no sometimes - especially to the 12 year old.

As an aside, I was joking one day about checking their phones and they told me they use snap chat and the messages delete anyway.

PBo83 · 06/02/2019 11:56

@Oblomov19

"surely you Want exactly that?
your relationship to be close enough so they have the guts to tell you when they've done actually something they shouldn't of?

That takes real courage. and the closeness of relationship with your parent.

isn't that exactly what you want?"

  • Yes, in an ideal world that's exactly what all parents would want but expecting children (or indeed adults) to openly admit and want to talk about their every mistake is naive.

@lljkk

"Unless she deletes all the msgs & her browsing history, PBo83. DD's friends did this regularly (when had parents who demanded right to check phone). It was 2nd nature to them."

Agreed, kids will delete stuff they don't want people to see. Should we just not bother then? Assume that keeping an on their online activity is pointless so just let them get on with it?

Comefromaway · 06/02/2019 11:57

It came from two different schools of widely different kinds (private selective 11-18 & state 13-18) but in the the same county.

PBo83 · 06/02/2019 11:59

@malvinandhobbs

"We do have it set that I have to approve apps, and I do say no sometimes - especially to the 12 year old.

As an aside, I was joking one day about checking their phones and they told me they use snap chat and the messages delete anyway."

Just to clarify

Step 1: You have it set so you have to approve what apps they use
Step 2: You approve their downloading of Snapchat (which has an age 13 limit anyway and, if we're not being naive, was pretty much invented for sexting).
Step 3: You JOKE about it and they admit to deleting their message history.

Fuck invasion of privacy, I'd be a bit concerned about that!

reallyanotherone · 06/02/2019 12:01

I don’t monitor on a day to day level.

However I do have the passcode to their phones as if they can put it down for long enough I will nab it and back it up, upgrade it etc.

As it backs up to my laptop i could clone it relatively easily and see exactly what is going on, if i were worried.

I also regularly check security settings. They cannot access anything not age appropriate, certain sites, ability to download etc are all limited. Our home router also doesn’t allow adult content except between 10pm -and 6am, when the kids phones are blocked from the wifi.

I sometimes think over checking makes them more secretive. I know kids with second phones, several sim cards etc. I also disagree with removing phones as punishment- i work with ss and so many parents have no clue where their kids are, and they’ve confiscated their phones so can’t get in touch. I’d be insisting they have their phone, and enabling tracking software.

Fightthebear · 06/02/2019 12:01

I know you’re stepping back Oblamov but it was DS being bullied. I hadn’t realised how bad it had got until I saw the Whatsapp.

Really bloody wish the other parents had been doing some monitoring. I’ve discussed it with one of them and she had no idea.

LLOE7 · 06/02/2019 12:03

My parents never ever checked my phone. At 14 I was in a sexual relationship with a 19 year old man, and my phone was constantly attached to me as we were always messaging/sending photos. I feel deeply uncomfortable about it now and if my parents had checked my phone they would have put a stop to it and it would have been an easy way out, but I know back then I would have screamed and swore and ran off before ever handing my phone over!
So in my opinion, it's a good idea to check her phone however she's not silly, if there's anything she doesn't want you to see (such as certain photos or messages) she would delete them as soon as she's received and replied to them.

malvinandhobbes · 06/02/2019 12:08

Oh, dear @PBo83. You seem very angry about my opinion. That seems to be a thing on mumsnet these days.

I trust my kids. We do talk a lot about sensitive issues. I did approve snapchat. I am confident that they can make good decisions. I can imagine scenarios whereby that trust could be eroded and I would check, but for now, I trust them.

That is all I have to say on this matter, but I'm sure you'll find others who will rise to the bait.

SummerGems · 06/02/2019 12:14

It needs to be a combination of factors. You talk to children about what is and isn’t appropriate, and hopefully give them the right guidance to make the right decisions. But let’s be honest here, there are plenty of adults who don’t have a clue when it comes to internet safety so expecting children to know about it is naive at best.

Just look at the amount of people even on MN who wil set up online donations for what are essentially usernames on a screen with no idea who and what these people are. Or who react with incredulity that someone would make up a story about an abusive relationship/dead child/illness within the family because “I never realised someone would do that.” It’s only a short leap from there to pretending to be a teenager in order to make friends with other teenagers with the idea of who knows what sinister nature.

Also, checking a child’s phone is equivalent to saying that they shouldn’t be posting anything they wouldn’t want someone to read, but you being the one to read it and therefore being able to know that they’re safe rather than it be some ne’er-do-well online.

As for bullying, again, you only need to look to mn to see that that goes on in the adult world and plenty of adults are not equipped to deal with it. A teacher at DS’ school once said to me that bullying wouldn’t be nearly so much of an issue were it not for social media.

My ds is sixteen and I haven’t looked at his phone in a long time. Neither did I ever demand for it to be handed over for spot checks, however the understanding was very much that I had access to it, and if I wanted to I could check it. And we had that conversation in conjunction with the one about staying safe.

Prime example. when he was eleven he asked me if he could have instagram and I said no. He then went ahead and set up an instagram account anyway because all his friends had it. What then transpired was that he was subjected to some low level bullying on there. But because he’d already asked and had set up the account without me knowing, he didn’t feel he could tell me about the bullying because he already knew I didn’t want him to have the account. It took a couple of instances of his being anxious about going to school before it all finally came out.

My ex’s DSD however also has instagram with their agreement and she is eleven. Public account, and some of the stuff she puts on there is horrendous. Forwarding meme’s full of the c word etc with very little understanding of what they actually mean. Equally there were some instances where an individual from the school set up an account and was sending bullying pm’s to others. Also an eleven year old who’s parents clearly weren’t on the ball with knowing what he was doing.

talking to them isn’t always enough.

ColdTattyWaitingForSummer · 06/02/2019 12:14

I never have checked phones / messages. Part of this is because I’m not with their dads, and they obviously use their phones to keep up contact, those relationships are separate to me, and deserve privacy. Ds1 is now nearly 17. He has more than once thanked me for the trust I put in him. He has always been open with me and talked to me about anything. (Even including coming up with strategies to not look at dodgy photos sent to friends without being called gay..) With ds2 who is 12 I haven’t allowed him to download eg Snapchat yet, and he asks permission for most apps. I know who all his contacts are, but it’s all through conversation, not checking up as such.

Senioritafamiglia · 06/02/2019 12:18

Parents who view this as an invasion of privacy are living in a dreamworld. Of course you should be aware of what your young teenagers are doing with their phones

^^This. In spades.

Amongst the responsible parents who are bringing up sensible children that I know, phone checking is the absolute norm, with the condition that without the checking, there is no phone.

PBo83 · 06/02/2019 12:19

@SummerGems

Absolutely spot on. Communication, education and openness is incredibly important but nobody (adult or child/teen) is a completely open book. The difference is that, as adults, we by-and-large can identify most dangers, children are still learning.

BiddyPop · 06/02/2019 12:19

DD is 13. She has had a phone since she was 10 also.

The deal is that she can have certain apps etc as DH agrees to, but we have the right to check on her phone whenever.

We don't do it that often. But we do on occasion.

And we have regular chats about internet safety etc, and what she is doing on her phone (not always like a police interview - usually part of general chat about things in her day and who she's in touch with, can she get homework from girls at school (are they talking to each other on phones/SM) or Scouts etc), and what to watch out for.

lljkk · 06/02/2019 12:21

When I was 13yo (1981) I had a 14yo mate in sexual rel. with a 19yo. No mobile phones required to maintain the relationship.

I don't trust my kids, btw. Not checking is not about trusting them instead.

PBo83 · 06/02/2019 12:21

@BiddyPop

Sounds like a perfect balance to me. It's not about trusting your kids really, it's more about being able to identify potential threats that they may be oblivious to.

ChoudeBruxelles · 06/02/2019 12:24

For those who say they don’t check that’s fine but I’m glad I checked my son’s. If I didn’t I wouldn’t have discovered the grooming which was happening on Instagram where an adult was having conversations with ds about self harm, how good it feels and how they frequently feel suicidal. And asking if ds feels like that and encouraging him in feeling that way.

We’d spoken to ds about all of the things you do like not sharing information, sending sexual images etc but he just didn’t recognise what was being said to him as grooming.

I don’t read all of his messages or chats to his friends in general.

The deal when he got his first phone was that we could check it.

Comefromaway · 06/02/2019 12:28

That is similar to my son's friends.

The "child" who was messaging them was telling them about his abusive father, the fact that he is gay, has been raped in the past, has no friends and is bullied etc etc. They didn't recognise this as potential grooming.