To think that anti-vaxers may actually being onto something?

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I don't have children myself yet but I don't know what I would chose when the time comes. Most of pro vax/anti vax threads turns nasty with people not even willing to try and look at things with others side perspective. Not willing to even consider points of view different than their own and that's a very silly approach. People believed a lot of things that turned out to be false over the years and centuries. Why not to doubt a little?

I was born in early '80s and not in UK. Myself, my siblings and friends were all vaccinated at the time. I don't even remember what I was vaccinated against but had to be pretty basic. Just a few jabs throughout my whole childhood/teen years and nothing 3in1 or 10in1 or whatever they'll bring next.

Now to the point. Reading through hundreds of threads it jumps at me how many children have neurological, behavioural or emotional disorders. No one else sees it really?? I don't know even one person from my childhood including friends, extended family , neighbours etc who would have ADS or ADHD or any other issues like that. I see their children to have it though.

AIBU to consider there could be a link here??

Please be gentle. I hope to have a discussion here. I don't disrespect anyone's views and I only ask to try and ask yourself 'what if'.

And autism also has a strong genetic component.

Not that it matters, vaccines are still evil.

Alzheimer’s including early onset is rising exponentially .... and that kind of increase simply can’t be attributed to genetics

You're still confusing the two types of condition. Both are well into adulthood.
And "exponentially"? I'd love to see those graphs.
Diseases of old age are on the rise because people are living longer...

The bottom line is that you're making the wrong choices and putting your children's health and others at risk.

If vaccines cause autism, then why do unvaccinated people have autism?

Cathmidston I would never try to force someone to vaccinate. In fact I was considering not vaccinating my children at one point (nothing to do with autism) but I did lots of research and decided I should. I agree we need to question science and not just take it at face value, and things we know constantly change in the face of new research.

But when someone makes points that are scientifically flawed I will point that out. AD is only increasing because we are living longer. EOAD might be increasing but this is genetic and therefore not a result of any exposure to aluminium or any other potential toxicants

cathmidson are we now attributing Alzheimer's to vaccinations now???

Have you studied immunology?

Alzheimer’s including early onset is rising exponentially .... and that kind of increase simply can’t be attributed to genetics

Oh FFS. Must be that MMR in the 1980s causing Alzheimer's for people in their 60s.

Alzheimer’s including early onset is rising exponentially .... and that kind of increase simply can’t be attributed to genetics

You really are incredibly stupid, aren’t you?

Vaccines probably are in part responsible for the rise in Alzheimer’s.

But that’s because vaccines stop people from dying of infectious diseases, so they live decades longer and consequently have a much bigger chance of developing an age-related condition.

Don’t worry though - your unvaccinated kids may well get wiped out by cervical cancer or measles in their forties. And dead people can’t get Alzheimer’s, so at least you’ve spared them that

Alzheimer’s including early onset is rising exponentially .... and that kind of increase simply can’t be attributed to genetics

From the Alzheimer's Society website:

Many people talk about a 'dementia time bomb' that the state cannot cope with. This is misleading. A steady, rather than dramatic, growth is expected over the next 25 years.

"A steady growth" not rapid, not exponential.

Some researched theories on the causes of Alzheimer's including early onset dementia which is typically seen in the age group of 30-60, accounts for less than 10% of all cases, and is almost certainly genetic:

www.nia.nih.gov/health/what-causes-alzheimers-disease (spoiler - vaccines and alluminium aren't on the list).

And that steady growth, according to the American Alzheimer's Association, is primarily attributable to the aging population.

From their 2018 report:

Looking to the Future

A large segment of the American population — the baby boom generation — has begun to reach age 65 and older, ages when the risk for Alzheimer’s and other dementias is elevated. By 2030, the segment of the U.S. population aged 65 and older will increase substantially, and the projected 74 million older Americans will make up over 20 percent of the total population (up from 16 percent in 2018). As the number of older Americans grows rapidly, so too will the numbers of new and existing cases of Alzheimer’s dementia

i havent read the whole thread but i find the current vaccines unsafe, maybe because of the changed chemicals in them. my dc had horrible rare side effects with the last ones, due to that we had to reject another one. years ago it wasnt like that.

So Bluebwll
Whwt was the reaction, and what are thrse "changed" chemicals

bluebell where did you get your degree in immunology?

Also Cathmidston
Aluminium is not used in live vaccines ie not in MMR and was first used over 70 years ago in other vaccines.
What is your excuse for not having MMR

i havent read the whole thread but i find the current vaccines unsafe, maybe because of the changed chemicals in them. my dc had horrible rare side effects with the last ones

Which changed chemicals are these and what side effects? I presume a paediatrician has advised you on how to proceed with vaccinating/not vaccinating?

There will always be a small number of people who will have a a serious reaction to vaccines but this is incredibly rare and does not mean that vaccines are unsafe.

More people have serious reactions to peanuts than they do to vaccines, but we don’t consider banning them or calling them unsafe.

Just to say that the Alzheimer’s Society does have an information page on aluminium and other metals. It was said earlier that it makes no mention of them

www.alzheimers.org.uk/about-dementia/risk-factors-and-prevention/metals-and-dementia

We can all sit here and say “ooooh that doesn’t sound right”, “oooooh I wonder why more people are developing autoimmune disorders” and take pot luck guesses, but how many of us are oncologists or immunologists. As I said before, there are research grants available for you to do your own study to challenge any of these findings. If you aren’t up to that, maybe just trust in the people that know more than you do...

Actually, a lot of people are calling Alzheimer’s “type 3 diabetes”. That’s another direction of travel.

For those that absolutely trust the research behind vaccines, do you feel the same way about health research generally? Or do you feel that vaccines research is subject to greater rigour?

A crackpot friend of mine believes vaccination is a conspiracy by 'THEM' to harm our children and that pharmaceutical companies make so much money from vaccines and drugs that they withhold research findings of cures for diseases.
Apparently, cancer can be cured but there's too much profit to be made from the drugs treatments.
It's people like him that start and spread these bloody scare stories. God knows why, but like I said, he's a crackpot.

@Cathmidston when both myself and my husband were born vaccinations for measles, mumps and rubella didn't exist, the only vaccinations we had as young children was for polio and as young teens we had the BCG. My mother in law and my sisters in law used to tell me stories about what my husband was like as a child and we all had a good laugh about some of his behaviours, when pregnant with my kids I was asked by the obstetrician if I'd had measles, mumps and rubella and the answer was yes, I was not required to be vaccinated against them. The more time that I spent with his family the more I came to realise that not only was my husband's behaviour unusual but his father's behaviour was as well.

When we were going through the diagnosis process with our DS it became apparent that the behaviour of ds was so similar to the behaviour of DH and my FIL, when recently going through the diagnosis process with our older child we talked extensively about DS, DH and FIL and their families, as well as going through my family history (all part of the process) the results were no surprise to me, I have 2 children who were born with autism spectrum disorders, my DH is almost certainly on the spectrum as was FIL.

Vaccinations have nothing to do with my children's ASD, it was present at birth and it was inherited through the paternal lineage.

Macrophagic Myofascitis
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3623725/

Haveyouseenthewritingonthewall... thank you for your respectful post. I Don’t think that all children on the autistic spectrum have been damaged by vaccines, as your experience clearly indicates, but I do believe that some are x

The authors of that study are prominent anti-vaxxers (a group renowned for spouting pure shite slanted to fit their agenda) and their study is laughably flawed.

I Don’t think that all children on the autistic spectrum have been damaged by vaccines, as your experience clearly indicates, but I do believe that some are

Vaccines.

Do.

Not.

Cause.

Autism.

However anti-vaxx beliefs do apparently cause stupidity.

I Don’t think that all children on the autistic spectrum have been damaged by vaccines, as your experience clearly indicates, but I do believe that some are x
Based on zero evidence and no research skills

cathmidson
Vaccinations do not cause autism. That is a fact. Proved by research.... actual research not Google or conspiracy theories.