#shameonyouwarwick

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Warwick Police haven't prosecuted anyone for these vile rape threats and Warwick uni are now letting (some of?) the perpetrators back in to study at the same university alongside those they discussed threatening to rape.

Would you be happy sending your child here?

Warwick students suspended over rape threats allowed to return earlyly*_

There are really no end to the mental gymnastics an MRA will employ to try and excuse the behaviour of men.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this - these men sound awful. But they didn't rape anyone, it was a stupid private chat, their lives are effectively ruined due to the social media interest. If we learn anything from this it is to tell our children not to talk utter shite on social media.

Absolutely agree!

But they didn't rape anyone

How do you know? Can you or Warwick guarantee they haven’t? Or they won’t?

The point is, they haven't actually done anything. They've just spoken about doing things, which I don't think you can really prosecute people for. An actual crime hasn't been committed.

Eliza - in that case you agree their names should be spread to ensure women are safe.

Just words after all?

I agree with Eliza from a legal standpoint. However I am shocked that the uni haven't kicked them out. I imagine the legal threat has deterred them.

I also agree with a PP that universities are often misogynistic at heart.

How did this chat get out?
Did anyone involved sent it as a threat or direct to the girls?

No one is talking about prosecutions. The semantics of that are pretty irrelevant.

This is about total shitbag wankers being allowed back to a university where they threatened to rape current students. This is up to the university to decide. Theyve got it wrong.

You can be expelled from university or employment even if conduct isn't a crime. Although it reads like incitement to violence to me, especially as they added others into the chat.

They've just spoken about doing things, which I don't think you can really prosecute people for

People are prosecuted for conspiracy to... and incitement to...

But there is a long list of actions between doing nothing and prosecution that an institution can take to keep people safe.

You don't need to have committed an actual crime to be kicked out of university, Eliza. That is why universities have codes of conduct and other policies.

@JacquesHammer Thu 31-Jan-19 09:03:51
Eliza - in that case you agree their names should be spread to ensure women are safe.

Just words after all?

Yeah, why not? They should own their actions, but I don't think they've actually committed a crime.

If you think threats, abuse and verbal bullying don’t hurt people then you are a fucking idiot

Couldn't agree more.

I am not in any way condoning what they did but my understanding is that there were ringleaders and then those who stupidly joined in. It was a private chat which was leaked. No direct threats were made to anyone. There has been no physical crime. They have been punished. I am pretty sure they will have learned something from the whole incident. Those involved have been repeatedly named so I don't think they are going to have an easy time of it at university whatever happens.

Clearly there has been an issue with the initial disciplinary process which has led to the reduction to their suspension on appeal.

It's a serious matter because disgusting and stupid things that were said between and goaded on by friends when they were teenagers could seriously impact on the rest of their lives.

Some detail
twitter.com/meg_wain/status/1090333239359819777?s=19

Eliza You don’t have to have committed a crime for the organisation you’re part of to take action against you. There are rules of conduct and safeguards that should be in place, and certain expectations of behaviour. If not adhered to, action should be taken.

You can be sacked from your work for gross misconduct but not have broken the law.

I've just emailed student admissions to say I would never consider applying to a university that prioritised these boys and the fear of a legal challenge of the wellbeing of their female students.

There needs to be a backlash otherwise universities wont take it seriously.

You’re allowed to be a wanker. You’re allowed to be a lousy human being. It’s legal. No university can ban you for those reasons.

They didn’t rape anyone. They made some really nasty remarks, but they didn’t actually commit any crime.

spicily are you applying at the moment?

No direct threats were made to anyone

Not true. 'I swear to god I'm going to rape X person' is a direct threat.

If they didn't say it to X, then it isn't a direct threat.

TeaForDad what a depressing read.

They didn’t rape anyone

Can you guarantee they won't?

Why is the safeguarding of women second place to a man losing the right to his education at that institute?

They made some really nasty remarks, but they didn’t actually commit any crime

A crime doesn't have to be committed for their position at the university to be untenable.

And once again, some people are more concerned about the future impact on the boys who said these things, rather than the women who are forced into sharing a space with them.

For fucks sake.

What about the lives of the young women threatened like that? What if they couldn't go back to university because of it? What about the extra fear they will always have to carry? I suppose in some minds it's irrelevant because the lives of men might be affected. It's just part of the same process that saw a man walk free after repeatedly sexually abusing a 6 year old girl because he might have a glowing future. Tough shit.