In being sick of the way women are endlessly objectfied and treated like pieces of meat?

[Janos]

Rant alert!

I'm just so f'ing sick of it (pardon my French).

It's everywhere, on television, when you walk into the newsagents, advertising billboards, shops - AAARGHH!!

I don't remember it being like this when I was younger. Perhaps I was just more innocent then or maybe its got worse. Depressing to think what view of women this encourages, and that my DS will grow up seeing this stuff as a matter of course.

sigh

Am I just a raddled old prude or what?

stationery

Women get way more objectified than men,
I share that impression.

But it is very much happening to us men, too,
and we stand a better chance of stemming the tide
by being united instead of engaging in one-downmanship.

Maybe I should clarify that I did not mention
male objectification to excuse or cancel out the
female variety - no!

My point was that this is a universal
phenomenon which affects all of us and,
most importantly, our DSs/DDs.

DaddyJ, is there a reason behind the chopped-up posts?

my monitor is very wide, GS

Oh!! I thought your fingers were having a panic attack

interestingly enough i got thorn a new one last night over a subject similar to this in the pub by some women.when discussing celebrities and who was too skinny (the women now not me) they began mentioning the likes of kiera knightly etc. when i said i thought she was unbelievably good looking and stated that i had a preference for skinny women a la miss knightly apparently i was being a chauvenist and men like me where the reason women had body image problems. i mean ffs how can me having a preferance for one figure over another suppress women?

You see, while i think margoandjerry has made some very good points, i still don't think men hold a gun up to womens heads and do that stuff. I am not denying some men do see women as nothing more as peices of meat, i think the pressures on women nowadays to look a certain way are the mere pressures that females set for eachother. It's like a game of who can be the skinniest or have the biggest boobs.

I don't give a stuff whether women are doing it to themselves or men are doing it for them. I still hate it.

Margoandjerry, I actually sort of agree with you about the use of the word 'pimp' to denote glamour (though I do know at least one ethical escort agent). However, I still think that the problems faced by our kids in the current relentlessly consumerist, conformist world are about far more than sexual choice. Not only have you got to buy the right stuff to fit in but you've got to have the right aspirations, the right hobbies and (if you're female) the right attitude about knowing your place - whatever women do must be done for the benefit of others rather than themselves, or they are selfish bitches and deserve anything bad that happens to them.
Unfortunatley the backlash against the sort of thing that some of the posters on here dislike (a rather narrow kind of sexual expression, admittedly) is all too likely to go right back to the days of decent women covering themselves from head to foot and never having orgasms.