In being sick of the way women are endlessly objectfied and treated like pieces of meat?

[Janos]

Rant alert!

I'm just so f'ing sick of it (pardon my French).

It's everywhere, on television, when you walk into the newsagents, advertising billboards, shops - AAARGHH!!

I don't remember it being like this when I was younger. Perhaps I was just more innocent then or maybe its got worse. Depressing to think what view of women this encourages, and that my DS will grow up seeing this stuff as a matter of course.

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Am I just a raddled old prude or what?

I think the scales are tipping to be fair! I dont think there are more "less dressed" women on the television, but there seems to be a lot more semi naked men!

And besides, at the end of the day, you are the consumer. You are who these products / adverts are aimed at. Dont like trashy magazines? Dont buy them. Dont like porn? Dont watch it. Dont like raunchy music videos? Dont watch them. Aren't women the biggest consumers? So if women dont like it, and take a stand, then it will change.

Slightly off to the left of this topic, but I've got to ask why most women would want to see some male models 'turkey giblets' anyway. Believe me I'm no prude, but they're not very attractive, are they?

I do not feel that I have ever been wrongly treated because I am a woman.

I have never felt my choices in life have been criticised or judged.

Like i said, a woman can do the exact same thing as a man sexually, yet she is critasized for it and labelled for it. But most of the time, it's WOMEN who do the critasizing and labelling, like they are in this thread!

sweetcherrypie - exactly. Women label too often imo, the thread on Jordan this week shocked me - so many people calling her a slag.

Actually elf and scp, I do take your point on that.

But the point is, if you are a male tennis player, you get asked about your tennis, if you are a female tennis player, you get asked about your dress!

It's not about embracing your sexuality (good) it's about your sexuality being the one thing seen about you (bad)

I do think it's bad for men to think of women as sexual objects but on the same scale, what makes it ok for women to be nasty and judgemental towards other women? What gives anyone the right whether they are male or female?

Yes, Elf1981 you are making a good point. Women are very often judgemental and critical of other womens behaviour and can be extremely nasty.

If your choices have never been judged or treated then you're very lucky. It does happen, a lot.

But if people stopped playing up to that sterotype, then it would stop.
If women answered about tennis not their outfits etc etc then they would stop being asked.

I really feel that women give men too much power. They dont have it, we seem to give it. IYSWIM!

The title of this thread is a condredictory in itself,'In being sick of the way women are endlessly objectfied and treated like pieces of meat?'

Well isn't it the women in this thread that are endlessly objectfieing about what some women do?

I do remember being around eleven years old ( oh, eons ago) and being friendly with a ten year old girl and her five year old brother across the street- their granny bought the sun and made the children spit on the page three girl.

there has always been an objectification of women in society. what there hasn't always been is such strong female role models to counteract that - we now have a female home secretary ( lord knows that example may come back to bite me on the ass) martha jones - (bear with me) and hermione granger - good solid sensible young women who use their intelligence to win the day ( yes, they're fictional... so what? my children prefer imagination to real life most of the time) I don't necessarily think things are any worse right now, other than the gratuitousness of tabloid press and music videos.

for every pair of pumped up slightly lop-sided DD's my boys might accidentally happen across whilst trying to find cbbc on the tv, they're countered by a whip smart martha or hermoine or hillary clinton. their pre pubescent mini libidos don't get the tits and flange yet - but they've already got the mind set of a strong female role model to counteract that

"It's not about embracing your sexuality (good) it's about your sexuality being the one thing seen about you (bad)
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Yes, EXACTLY!!

"The title of this thread is a condredictory in itself,'In being sick of the way women are endlessly objectfied and treated like pieces of meat?'
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No, I don't think it is contradictory. I'm expressing an opinion and haven't objectified anyone or treated them like a piece of meat!

Unless it happened while I wasn't looking...

Possibly lucky, but I think I put it down to the way I was raised. My biological father was violent, my mum remarried a few years later. Even though she was remarried (to the guy I have always called dad) she really taught us that women are strong, that we should fight for what we want, that we dont need men to validate us etc etc.

I'm lucky where I work - I work for the largest employer in my city (excluding government) and there are a hell of a lot of women in top jobs there.

Most of the posts on this thread have been people objecting to the way women behave!

How are women the people buying FHM, Maxim etc?

I am afraid it has become acceptable again to objectify women in this way and many women, sadly, fall for all that stuff about how it's because women are now free and have economic power.

When I hear those silly girls talking how working in a lap dancing club makes them feel really empowered and liberated, it depresses me. And reminds me of nothing so much as the women who choose to wear the entirely body covering niqab or burqa. They also say it's liberating and empowering.

Both of these sets women are assuming that ther bodies and their sexuality is all that there is to them. One wants to show everyone that she is nothing but a set of boobs and a fanny so gets up on a podium the better to display their wares. The other assumes everyone else sees her as a pair of boobs and a fanny so reacts to that by hiding under a huge tent.

This kind of attitude is also very insulting to men. Just as we are supposed to be just tits and ass, they are just walking libidos who can't listen to music or do the washing up or buy a new car without engaging their dicks.

With ref to buying a car - I get the TopGear Magazine and the only naked items in there are the cars, so at least men can buy a car without feeling like they need to wake up their little solider as well

We are not the ones buying the magazines no but we are the ones doing the critasizing and the labelling, which is the thing we are trying to stop.

Also, women are not the big % buyers of FHM and Maxim, but for every bloke magazine, there will be 10 womens mags with better sales.

This kind of attitude is also very insulting to men. Just as we are supposed to be just tits and ass, they are just walking libidos who can't listen to music or do the washing up or buy a new car without engaging their dicks.

They really can't though.

Well it sounds like your mum was an excellent role model Elf1981, and I totally agree with your opinion that women should fight for what they want etc etc. That's very much how I was raised myself.

I'm not sure however that women give too much power to men. Don't they frequently take it, without asking?

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Okay, so using the tennis interview as an eg...

man reportor asks what the female tennis player is wearing, tennis player giggles and says wait and see.

If the tennis player had answered about tennis, then women would be asked about their tennis. But because that tennis player chose to answer about clothes, it makes the question okay. IE women dont fight it, and men get the "power" by default.

"Most of the posts on this thread have been people objecting to the way women behave! "

Yes, some posts are like that sweetcherrypie, but generally I think people are mainly frustrated at the mindset that says women are only worth dealing with if they're young and attractive etc.

That's how I feel anyway.