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AIBU?

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To be annoyed with DH

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AliceRR · 29/01/2019 09:11

DH and I are sharing a car at the moment.

I am 38 weeks pregnant and have just started mat leave. Before then DH and I were travelling to work together in another city as I had managed to get a parking space there so could park for free under the building. I have PGP so it’s difficult for me to walk far and stand on the train etc.

Anyway I’m now on mat leave and DH is still working so we have different needs for the car. I don’t need the car every day but there are things I need it for eg shopping and midwife appointment and just getting around. DH needs it to get to work although he’ll be driving to the train station now that he’s going alone and won’t be able to park for free...

I’m annoyed with DH as I feel he wants everything his way regarding the car. He thinks that he should take the car to the station every day and if I want the car that day I should either get up at 7:30 and drive him to the station and then pick him up in the evening (so then would have car all day) OR get a taxi to the station to pick up the car. I’d then need to pick him up after work.

I suggested that wasn’t fair as it means for me to use the car I have to either get up early and go out in the cold when I’m on leave or get a taxi to our car. It’s less than 10 mins in the car so a taxi would cost maybe £4 around here.

He doesn’t have to change anything - he just gets to take the car or be dropped off and picked up.

Part of why it annoys me is I just feel new not thinking of me. I almost always give him a lift to the station on days when I’m not working as I don’t want him walking in the cold, especially as cold as it is now, but he doesn’t think twice about getting me up early.

Today he woke me up at 7:30 to take him to the station and I just didn’t want to get up. It didn’t help that he comes to bed late and so he disturbed me and I ended up having less sleep anyway. I told him I’m not getting up so just take the car. But then I was annoyed as he’d woken me up and I was left without a car!

I suggested (we spoke after he left) we needed another way as I just feel like I’m compromising and he’s doing nothing.

Also he can’t discuss it. I just want a solution we’re both happy with, bearing in mind i plan to take maternity leave for a year, and thinks will change again when I have a newborn baby. He just says fine I’ll buy a car at the weekend and you can have your own way. But he won’t. It’s just his way out of the discussion!

AIBU?

I think I’m not. I think he’s being selfish.

But I know some of you may think I’m probably making something of nothing. I’m grumpy at the moment! And I woke up in a bad mood because I was woken up and I can’t really go back to sleep...

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SomethingNastyInTheBallPool · 29/01/2019 18:16

It’s completely unacceptable that you’re having to pay for everything for the baby.

AliceRR · 29/01/2019 18:17

We are working on it. I know I probably sound delusional and bear in mind I am talking about a lot of his negatives and none of the positives really but I think he is learning to do things differently.

Sometimes there have to be consequences to his actions for him to realise I think. That’s what it tends to be: he does whatever he wants and then if i force a consequence eg if he shouts he doesn’t want to get in my car again so then I make plans and he can’t have it he’s livid. But it’s only by doing those things that he has learned a bit. We have both been a bit calmer since I’ve been pregnant though as we both realise that’s important and I actually think we’ve come a long way in the last year!

He has some funny ideas but I think we’ll work it out

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AliceRR · 29/01/2019 18:19

Doesn't he understand that?

No he thinks it a massive imposition to walk. I find it odd as it’s really not a long walk. I love walking (can’t walk far with pelvic pain at the moment but generally) and we are both relatively active so it shouldn’t be a big deal. In the rain or whatever it’s not fun but otherwise... he’s only really got to leave 10 mins earlier as well

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DianaBlythe · 29/01/2019 18:23

I think you need to have a big chat about finances. You are married but the current house is in his name, you contribute a bit more and you paid entirely for the wedding. You are now going on maternity leave which is a joint cost. You’ve paid all the baby stuff so far and are still planning on trying to maintain paying 50%. He pays maintenance for his DSS. He seems to be very good at finding ways out of paying for things. It just doesn’t sound very joined up or partner-y.

Obviously the best way to save money and promote healthy and environmentally friendly living is for him to walk or cycle to the station. 2 cars would solve your problem too but less economical, healthy and environmentally friendly. My DH walks 2 miles to work and would never make me get up at 38 weeks pregnant to take him in, even if I offered he would insist I stay in bed. I get him not wanting to rely on taxis in the morning but he really doesn’t need to! And am outraged at him not wanting you to pay for taxis but being happy for you to. And even more outraged about the baby shower lift situation.

He has a child already but seems a little bit clueless about how things will be post baby. Was he not very involved last time? I think it will take considerably longer for you to get yourself and baby out of the house and into a frozen car than it would for him to walk in the first place! Possibly not if it’s going up to 2.5 miles but that’s such a quick cycle and it really will be the most monumental faff.

I know you’re a lawyer and you’re sensible. Do make sure you’re not leaving yourself totally financially vulnerable going into maternity leave and on going back to work and childcare.

otterturk · 29/01/2019 18:23

You're 38 weeks pregnant.
It's only a mile, not every day.
He is lazy and VU

TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu · 29/01/2019 18:33

fucksake get the man a scooter, he can be at the station in like seven minutes. you can probably even get one on freecycle.

AnoukSpirit · 29/01/2019 18:42

Op, you may find my post uncomfortable reading. It might contain things you're not really ready to face, but I hope you'll still read it and make your own mind up afterwards as to what you want to do or think about it...

Abuse is about power and control. It is not about evil monsters who never do a nice thing in their lives. It is not even about nasty "abusive" words or violence, although those things might be used to maintain control of someone. All abusers have positive qualities (who'd ever go near them otherwise?). All of them.

it’s just easier to let him take the car but it means I don’t make plans as much.

he is so calm and charming and pleasant with other people but can be SO unreasonable with me and seemingly unable to have a conversation at times...

I won't sit here and quote everything you've said that is describing coercive control, but you are describing classic domestic abuse.

When people say that an abusive man will prevent his partner from going out, they rarely mean that he tells her "I'm not letting you go out", it means exactly the kinds of things he has done to you. Like with the dentist appointments, just as much as everything with your car. He puts her in a situation where gradually she goes out less and does less and sees fewer people - not because he's banned her but because he's made it so difficult she stops trying as much.

You describe him as making an effort. I'm struggling to see the evidence base for that anywhere in your posts - other than when he feeds you his fictional alternate reality in which you're the unreasonable one and he is hard done by. Which, by the way, is common to abuse/coercive control. In order to maintain their control, they need you to believe you're the one in the wrong and you're asking too much for wanting to have your needs and wishes respected.

Correctly labelling his behaviour isn't "bashing" him. It's unacceptable behaviour, so it's entirely appropriate to say "this isn't right, it's making my life difficult and unpleasant, and I want it to stop".

There is a reason joint therapy is never advised when there is any abuse in the relationship - and it's for the reasons you mentioned. Abusers charm the therapists, and pick up new tactics to maintain control. They learn to get better at charming outsiders so nobody else will suspect how unreasonable and controlling he is to you behind closed doors. They quote the therapist at you when you try to reason with them about their behaviour.

He can control his temper at work and with everyone except you, because he never actually loses his temper with you. He manufactures that anger to intimidate you into submitting to what he wants. If it was real rage he wouldn't be able to switch it on and off so perfectly, he would not be capable of controlling it, and nor would he be able to be utterly charming to everyone except you.

The idea that you think it's normal for you to be expected to pay for all the baby stuff for the child you are having together, as if it were the same as paying for your own haircuts, and contribute half to bills while on maternity leave, and just generally be exploited regarding the car situation is financial abuse. Plus his general history of leaving you footing the bill for things, starting with the wedding. He is using finances to control and limit your options. It is not normal.

I'm afraid it is also entirely standard for abusive men to come primed with a sob story about how difficult their ex was. It's a fantastic way to gain sympathy and to ensure they're given the benefit of doubt as their abuse gradually increases ("oh he's just like this because he had such bad experiences with his ex, I can't pull him up on it"). It's interesting that you recognise he would probably describe you the same way. I think you're absolutely correct that he would. But that does not make it true.

He is making deliberate choices to treat you like this. Those choices and actions should tell you everything you really need to know about his feelings for you, regardless of his words. Listen to his actions, not his words. His actions are of someone who is happy to hurt you emotionally, prevent you resting when it's already difficult and allow you to suffer pain without a second thought or concern, and is happy for your world to become smaller as you're restricted from getting out and about by his choices.

You can keep trying to reason with him, keep battling against him as he tells you yet again that you're trying to have everything your way when clearly you are doing no such thing - but he will not stop. He wants it this way, that is why he is not responsive to your attempts to reason with him.

He's not interested in reason, and he's not interested in your needs or wishes - he is interested in having everything his way, feeling powerful, and having as much control as he can. If it causes you stress, misery, exhaustion, illness... It won't matter. All he wants is control. He likes feeling powerful, he's not like you where you are driven by care for others and an awareness of their needs.

I gather you've been living this way for a while, so he will have eroded your sense of what is normal, but it really is not at all normal or acceptable.

He won't change. Unless he continues to get worse and isolate you even more. But how you're living doesn't sound sustainable for you, or what you want, so what changes are you prepared to make in your life and to be the one in charge of it again?

If I told you in ten years he would be just like he is now, only worse because he would be leaving you to effectively act as a single parent, would still be manipulating your own understanding of reality, would have continued to put you in a situation where you struggled financially and had fewer options as a result, and was just generally treating you like shit - how would you feel? Would you want that life?

Sometimes it doesn't matter how hard you try, you can't fix a situation that's being controlled by somebody else, so you have to take action in your own best interests. You can't change other people or their choices, but you can change your own and you can change your own circumstances.

I used to make excuses for the kind of behaviour you've excused and minimised and normalised on this thread. I used to blame myself for provoking him and not being perfect enough to convince him to understand my view and stay calm. I used to think everybody else's relationships and home lives involved walking on eggshells and having no choices about the things that happened in their lives.

I was wrong. It's not normal or acceptable or healthy. I am not telling you to leave, that has to be your choice, but you might want to think about where you would draw the line. I thought people were mad when they first started using the words "domestic abuse" to describe my life, and I was adamant I was not leaving as I was causing the problems. I used to respond with examples of times when he'd just done regular human stuff as if it made him a saint ("hey, last week he spoke to me without shouting, he's great!"). Even if he had imitated a Saint in between his abuse it wouldn't have made it okay.

Eventually I did leave though, and it's been a few years since. I look back now and it's hard to fathom how I managed to live like that for so long, and why I thought it was okay. But he'd spent so long telling me his behaviour was my fault that I believed it.

You do not deserve to live like this. Life does not need to be this exhausting, confusing way.

If you want more information to make your own mind up about the things I've said here, the people who run the Freedom Programme are really passionate about sharing information and giving women the knowledge they need to make their own decisions:

Www.freedomprogramme.co.uk

m.youtube.com/watch?v=dlVRds_Xrtg

SomethingNastyInTheBallPool · 29/01/2019 18:48

^^^
This

Juells · 29/01/2019 19:00

I look back now and it's hard to fathom how I managed to live like that for so long,

^ this :( So many years :(

BatshitCrazyWoman · 29/01/2019 19:04

Excellent post Anouk.

What Anouk describes became my life - it was horrible to live like that but it was fucking awful divorcing a man like that. I have emotional scars from my marriage. I hope you read and think about Anouk's words.

marvellousnightforamooncup · 29/01/2019 19:15

Anouk 👏👏👏👏👏👏

OP please take heed of what she's just written.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 29/01/2019 19:53

WTF its your car (the one he broje was your car too), and he thinks you having it 2 days per week to his 3 days is you "getting your own way"! Its YOUR car, you having your own way would be you having it 7 days per week. Cheeky arse.

Throw into the mix that he threw a tantrum and left you to pay for your wedding yourself alone (Hmm), you have to pay for taxis when he uses your car, his shitty driving means you now have a damaged car and more expensive insurance that he hasn't contributed the extra for since and you have paid for most of both of your baby's essential stuff. This guy is taking you as well as your car for a ride.

And all because you think his precious ego is hurt because you have the audacity to earn more than him? If that bit is really true then all his behaviour smacks of punishing you/trying to take you down a peg or ten because he's an insecure child.

Maelstrop · 29/01/2019 21:02

I think he expects to continue the same deal then I have the baby. He doesn’t think he should walk to the station but has suggested he could drive to the station and then I can have a nice walk with baby to go and get the car if I need it. Or I can just get up with the baby and take him as that might be nice apparently

He’s fucking delusional and selfish and abusive. No way would my dh dream of asking me to take him a mile to the station, nor would he ensure I was awake by going up and down stairs/into wardrobes etc.

I’m honestly sad reading this, OP. He sounds like a complete wanker and you’re allowing him to treat you like a total doormat. He’s horribly selfish. Why are you with him?

VanGoghsDog · 29/01/2019 21:13

You've posted about him before and he hasn't got any better has he?

My ex used to escalate any issues I brought up by turning them into idiotic scenarios - if I had said I'd like him not to use my car every day he'd say "fine, I'll walk everywhere, I'll never drive again, I'll learn to fly shall I?" etc etc so nothing could be discussed. It's totally non-sensical. He's an ex. And so should yours be!

AliceRR · 29/01/2019 21:53

He does sound like that!

I was just talking to him as he has just left work. He’s upset with me. Of course he is because I dared to say he shouldn’t have everything his own way.

He doesn’t get it at all. Or maybe he does and hopes I doesn’t. But he really doesn’t seem to.

Of course it went to “you just keep the car I’ll get taxis everywhere as money grows on trees”. I said he was being ridiculous as I wasn’t actually suggesting that to start with but also it’s a short walk...

He said he thinks I’m being incredibly selfish as he’s the one who works and I don’t need to be anywhere and the car would be at the station if I want it

I did wonder why I was even bothering talking to him as there is no reasoning with him. I was trying to get him to understand that he always thinks his need is greater and he should get priority. And if I propose a compromise he still accuses me of wanting my own way. I told him it’s bit fair that his version of sharing the car means inconvenience to me and no inconvenience at all to him. He kept going on at needing to be able to get to work but he can get to work! Anyway I’m sure he was tired and stressed from a long day at work so maybe was pointless talking to him.

By the end, when I’d said what I was proposing initially was he’d have the car for at least three mornings and then every evening (either driving or I’d pick him up) and that isn’t so much to ask he was like “yeah let’s try that” I said no it’s ok, you want to walk and I wouldn’t possibly want to inconvenience you by being so selfish!

If he’d rather walk / get a taxi every day rather than discuss things with me or think about what I’m saying then so be it but this does remind me of his old ways.

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twiglet · 29/01/2019 22:04

So despite him saying at lunch time that you have agreed to a share he's now peeved that he has to share so is dragging up the argument basically until you cave in?!

This isn't the kind of stress you need at 38 weeks. I agree with the other PP that he seems incapable of considering his heavily pregnant wife and unborn child.......

AliceRR · 29/01/2019 22:30

Well yes I called him to check everything is ok as it was after 9 (he had called me at about half 5 to say he’d be late as he was working on something) and he was still at work but he made the point that he’s not happy. I said I wasn’t either. We ended up having the argument again then. But yes he’s annoyed. He’s annoyed that he doesn’t get things 100% his own way so he’s making it known.

He’s gone to bed in the other room because he doesn’t want to disturb me... He claimed not to understand a point I was making about how he’s woken me up last night in coming to bed and then again in the morning. All I was saying was if he expected me to get up at 7:30 he could have let me sleep early.

I’m not even upset now.

I’ve been focussing on baby. I’m conscious I spent a lot of this morning stressed. I spent this afternoon packing my baby hospital bag and sorting through the clothes and washing some bits (after getting some lovely gifts over the weekend) and I feel a bit more relaxed. He just needs to get his head around what I’ve said. I am conscious he’s v stressed with work too, not that I’m making excuses, but I know there’s no point saying anything now.

He said he’s walking to work or getting a taxi tomorrow so that’s fine.

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EKGEMS · 29/01/2019 22:33

You do realize your husband father of your child values himself,his wants,his opinion higher than you and your unborn child? He's a damaged "human being" and to be honest, life would be easier if you were single as you wouldn't have to argue with that prick! This is an abusive relationship!

AliceRR · 29/01/2019 22:36

I think he does think what he wants is always most important but he he has changed over the past year. He argues but tends to take on board what I’ve said.

He’s definitely damaged...

We do argue less than we used to though (believe it or not!)

The thing is I’m an idiot and I feel sorry for him. I was just thinking about him in the other room, probably stressed about work and upset that we’ve argued, and I think no he did this himself! He can think about it as he’s walking to the train station tomorrow.

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Butterymuffin · 29/01/2019 22:43

Don't feel sorry for him OP. Enjoy a night of comfort on your own.

JennyHolzersGhost · 29/01/2019 22:48

He’s just going to make your life unpleasant until you give in. And he’ll do that whenever he’s not getting what he wants.

It’s very sad that you don’t seem able to see what’s going on here.

rainflowerstar · 29/01/2019 22:53

You've posted threads about him before haven't you? Make sure the car keys are in your procession so he doesn't take them in the morning.

AliceRR · 29/01/2019 22:53

I do see his faults and I see that he is selfish and he can be controlling and he basically throws his dummy out to get his own way, so much so that I often give in for an easy life eg in accepting that we would share a car as he wouldn’t take no for an answer.

But I also see that I’m not perfect and I see the ways he does compromise sometimes and do things for me (increasingly so) which I don’t think is a bad thing.

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Chickenwing · 29/01/2019 23:06

YABU just be nice and give him a lift so you get the car, that's a compromise and you both benefit.

AliceRR · 29/01/2019 23:26

that's a compromise and you both benefit

My annoyance with that is that I’m the only one compromising. I have to get up early (which is difficult when you haven’t slept properly) if I want to use our / my car... and the rest of the time I just don’t have w car... whereas he gets to drive or be driven every day without any inconvenience whatsoever

As well as other issues we’ve mentioned about it you have RTFT

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