To make appointments with these GPs purely to tell them it’s their fault?

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5yo DD has had a wart on her hand for the last two years. To begin with I thought it would go away. It didn’t and it grew. I have never had warts and neither has any of the rest of the family - I have no experience of them. Googled, but as she was under 4 to start with, a lot of the treatments weren’t suitable.

When I showed the GP and asked what to do, she pulled a face and asked why I wanted to do anything with it. I muttered about being worried she might get teased, but the GP looked at me like I was made, so I accepted her response that I should do nothing. I felt pretty mortified for even asking.

Despite feeling like a complete tosser for wanting to sort out the bloody wart, I took her to the pharmacist when she was 4 and he gave us a gel thing to put on. This didn’t work, and a friend who had had warts suggested going back to the GP and getting them frozen off. So, I thought maybe I’d just had a strange experience and another GP might actually help. Well I got the same fucking response - a sideways, judgmental look and the feeling that he thought me a neurotic mother were all I got from this GP too. It’ll go away on its own he told me.

DD has had a bad spell of health lately, she has ricocheted from virus to virus and also unfortunately developed eczema on her face. Between the blocked, runny noses and the eczema she has touched her face a lot. Tonight I have discovered a fucking wart on her beautiful face. On closer inspection, she now also has 3 other smaller warts on her hand, along with the very large original wart. I am so upset. With myself for accepting what the areshole judgmental doctors said, but also with them. I don’t have a degree in medicine and didn’t know they could spread like that. Why didn’t they help me with the original wart? Why did they not consider the fact that they could spread?

I am a teacher and if I rolled my eyes and dismissed a concern raised by a parent which then escalated, I would have my arse handed to me, not only by that parent but also my line manager. I’ve got an appointment with another GP tomorrow who I really hope will actually help us properly with this (I’ve been told he is very good). But AIBU to want to make appointments with the previous two GPs, show them DD’s face and tell them that I hold them personally responsible for this?

Disclaimer: I would never waste GP time by actually doing this. But AIBU to want to? As I said, in my job I’d be hauled over the coals.

Haven't read all of the thread so sorry if you've already said something about this but you should try apple cider vinegar with the mother. Nothing was shifting my sons verrucas until we tried this. A little bit of cotton will soaked with the acv held on with a plaster overnight. They turned black and disappeared really quickly. I was amazed at how well it worked, haven't tried it on warts but I'm guessing they're similar to verrucas as a lot of the otc stuff is used to tread both.

marymarkle and memorial I've decided it's pointless trying to out reason the unreasonable.

Didn't you get the memo that all doctors should be tucked up in bed by 10pm?! It's the first lesson at medical school (we have lots of time since we skipped dermatology, you see...)

I meant to add that I'm very sorry to hear about your mum memorial . I do hope you managed to get some sleep in the end

@sevenmelon, memorial and the others..

Ditto.. These threads make me despair and I try to avoid them. Bet there will soon be a thread berating gp cus someone can't get an appt for few weeks.. Does anyone on mn stop and think why gps are leaving the profession in drones...?

Oh and hello babydoc... I used to be mummydoc

And I am still waiting to hear the cure for roseaca and excema a poster told us was possible if you just had had proper training. Sigh... All those years I thought I was getting a top class degree and postgrad training

I had a few on my hands as a kid that eventually disappeared.
As an adult I had some during my first pregnancy which went pretty much as soon as I had my son.
I'm not 27 weeks pregnant and have 3 on my hands again, they're not pretty and they do catch on things but I'm pretty confident they'll go when the baby comes out.

memorial - I suggest you reread what you have written on this thread. Your tone is profoundly uncaring. It is therefore hardly surprising if your patients get exasperated.

theredjellybean - if you PM me I can give you the name of a dermatologist you could talk to and who could teach you about treating rosacea and eczema. And acne.

Maria, my patients love me where did I say they are exasperated. I'm straight talking and caring at the right time. They know I won't pander to them but if they need me they will get me. Oh and I'm actually pretty good at my job.
On the other hand check your tone. Rude and disparaging. Arrogant. Bet your doctors hate you. Professionalism and fear will stop them saying so though.

I get in rather well with my doctors because they actually care enough to solve my health issues. You have been brainwashed by years of management consultant led cost cutting in the NHS and U.K. medical practice into believing that the NHS way is the best and only way. All major health systems have their areas of expertise and international best practice, and they all have major areas of weakness. Arrogance is believing that one health system is the best.

MariaNovella if that dermatologist is proud of their practice, surely they'd appreciate the promotion of their name? Might get them a few customers... (I assume they offer a private service)

I'm still rather confused as to why you are so cagey about your wonderful cures for acne and rosacea that we don't offer in the UK.

I’m not cagey. An MN post is hardly an appropriate place to describe a body of scientific knowledge and clinical practice...

MariaNovella I've asked you several times to explain even one treatment for either condition that is not known about or offered by doctors in the UK. You have evaded it each time. It's pretty easy to link just one study (unless, of course, you have no evidence at all).

Mumsnet is absolutely be the place to describe such research - think how many people with these conditions you might help!

I’m not evading anything. I suggest you go to see a non U.K. trained dermatologist (French, Swiss or US would be a good starting point) who is well acquainted with NHS practice in dermatology. Or any older U.K. medic who has a bit of perspective on how management consultant led cost cutting has, over several decades, strangled advances in clinical practice by claiming “best practice” for health care solutions that are cheap for the NHS (not necessarily for individual patients or wider society) over good cures.

MariaNovella You are evading. If we really are so terrible please do tell me ONE treatment that is a "good cure" for rosacea that is offered in France and that UK doctors haven't heard of. It should be easy given that there must be so many given our lack of training...

Yes, cost cutting may mean that certain things are not offered on the NHS that are offered elsewhere. These things are usually extremely expensive with very little or no benefit for patients. It does not mean that UK GPs fail to provide easily available, miracle treatments or 'cures' for common conditions such as acne, rosacea or eczema.

MariaNovella I also notice that you have declined to tell us all what your medical qualifications are that allow you to determine all UK doctors are ignorant in dermatology whilst French and Swiss ones are experts.

I had a few as a child. Had them all frozen off, didn't hurt and I was OVER THE MOON to be wart free!

Go private and pay for them to be frozen off.

Although the Dr who I recently saw for a mole to be removed suggested putting aspirin on a wart and it will go.

What worries me, and came across quite clearly was the attitude and lack of information given to OP up on first presentation (and second)...and third?

This thread should never have been if GP had briefly explained what has taken a long time on here and many posts to converted, that some are resolved with OTC remedies (50%), some will go on their own and are linked with having other viruses, and some do not seem to shift and potentially indicate a more complex underlying issue - which is what OP seems really clearly to be saying she is worried about?

If gp had outlined the options, and taken on board the other symptoms presented would see be feeling so dismissed and angry? She is clearly very worried about her dd.

As it turns out there do seem to be connections between her symptoms..starting with the stools, combined with back to back viruses and increasing numbers of warts.

One of my DC has eczema. When dryness strikes the whole torso is covered in it and scratching just instantly causes bleeding. The NHS cream, which is supposed to be used in only small areas at a time clearly wasn't suitable, the emollient, when I touched the skin with my finger tips applying it, caused burning and within seconds you could see the finger tip marks clearly. There was much screaming :(

However, even when in regular chlorine (intensive swimming which isn't sometingto be prescribed for eczema, especially when it reacts so badly to chlorine), it improved with just basic hemp oil. Wonderful skin, and the only thing that worked as a remedy and preventer. It wasn't classic behind the knees and in elbow creases, but it was extreme.

It didn't come from over-washing either.

I have another with years of teen acne. Not just some spots. Horrible nasty flare ups, which do subside with abs, but then instantly flare up again, a fair bit of viral infection too....anyway, the point is, many have experience of things that don't work, but greater than all of that is the acknowledgement and good interaction, the listening and leaving each patient with the feeling that even without abs or prescription they had a good consult, felt heard , not dismissed.

One of mine, through teen years had a massive verrucca, literally tried everything. Just went on its own after years.

@marianovella...no thanks
I know how to treat acne, eczema and roseaca.
I know how to explain and educate my patients to manage their conditions.
I don't know how to cure them because there is no cure....

How strange that I should have been cured of rosacea then

One of our DC was cured of extremely bad acne...

And I come from a family of eczema/asthma sufferers (not me, luckily) who, after years of mistreatment at the hands of the NHS, were cured of eczema (but not asthma) by non U.K. dermatologists

Yet we are still to hear about what exactly these miracle cures are.

I haven’t mentioned miracle cures because there aren’t any.

So what exactly was the treatment you mention?