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AIBU to request a positive thread on Brexit?

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mobyduck · 28/01/2019 11:38

Everyone here (nearly) says it will be bad.
Let's hear some positives about our coming freedom from the EU!

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Scandaloso · 28/01/2019 13:12

My DP though might finally feel vindicated over his lifelong manic hoarding tendencies when he's able to do a fine trade in shoeboxes of half-used batteries to power things in the event of a blackout?

Grin

Well there we have it, a positive. People who've spent a lifetime squirreling away things like half-used batteries, knackered lawnmowers, and obsolete phone chargers, will their sexual currency soar.

needsahouseboy · 28/01/2019 13:13

Posted on a friends wall:

From: Richard Knocker (Ex-pilot in the Gulf wars)
OK so we’ve had the worst-case scenario for leaving the EU given to us by numerous outlets ranging from the Bank of England to the spoiled prepubescent acting momentum supporter and everyone in-between.
So, I am now going to tell you the worst-case scenario of remaining in the EU based on actual known factors and figures, sourced from the public records of the UK Government, the EU Parliament, The Bank of England, the CBI, Migration watch, The Stock exchanges around the world, the IMF, and the UN.
So those of you who think that this little rant is a tin foil hat moment by myself think again and go and fully research and cross reference what I am about to tell you and remember this is worst-case scenario that could happen unless I clearly point out where it will happen by either a date or other factor. And it doesn’t have any thing to do with bull dogs or benefit fraud 😂
KNOWN OUTCOMES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN AGREED AS TRUE BY ALL SIDES:
1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.
3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen the move is fully cancelled but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.
5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealth
18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.; Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar ect
19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
20: The UK loses control of its international policy
21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020
PROBABLE WORST-CASE OUTCOMES
1: The UK will become nothing more than a vassal protectorate state
2: With the continuation of freedom of movement, the population of the UK will continue to grow at a rate higher than pre-referendum level ranging between 400,000 to 675,000 per annum.
2.1; Which will result in not just wage suppression but even wage depression.
2.2; More than 500,000 new homes to be built annually (We are currently only managing 125,000)
2.3; House prices and rents will skyrocket annually by 23%
2.4; Class sizes in schools would have to increase by 50% if not even double
2.5; The NHS will become solely an emergency service of care provider as they would no longer be able to cope with the numbers of people needing care other than those of emergency.
2.6; GP’s will become triage centres
2.7; Public transport will become permit holders use only
2.8; Only those that did a serious crime namely murder will be given a custodial sentence
2.9; The Court system becomes fully overrun to the point extreme cases only being heard and the rest being given an automatic fine
2.10; Emergency services collapsing for not being able to cope with the scale of things
2.11; Social care becoming solely private social care for those who can afford it.
2.12; Homelessness to increase by over 28% annually
2.13; Unemployment to increase annually by 37%
2.14; The Benefit system to collapse fully to the point of the return of soup kitchens and even workhouse existence
2.15; Crime to increase by over 59% annually
2.16; Shanty towns to become the norm standard of housing
3: Because the UK would no longer be able to make its own trade deals, nor control its tariffs or quotas, Food prices would increase by over 25% and the cost of living would go up by over 39%
4: Because the UK would lose its oil and gas rights it would also lose the revenue from taxation on them, resulting in a loss of over 600 billion per year in taxation revenue
5: Because the UK will become a member state its percentage share of the vote on any new laws, regulations, treaties and everything else is at current member numbers 3.57% of the vote. That’s right folks the UK say in the EU if it was to remain a member is 3.57% total
Everything I have put thus far is just the very extreme tip of the iceberg that is ready to sink the UK if we remain a member of the EU.
Everything is verifiable by the sources I have already outlined above and is something the EU propaganda machine as well as our very own government are not telling you.
Remainers keep on bleating about that the people didn’t know all of the facts
If that’s the case then why are they failing to tell the people the downside or remaining a member of the EU.
ASK YOURSELVES THAT FACT AND FIND OUT THE TRUE HARD FACTS FOR YOURSELF
Richard Knocker

FinallyHere · 28/01/2019 13:15

OK, I'll bite

Anyone who has income and/or capital in more than country may be glad to know that the EU's anti-tax avoidance measures in a directive announced January 2016 will not apply.

The measures are intended to stop:-

Shifting profit which has been earned in an EY into a low/no tax country

Prevent double no taxation if income (ie spread across two countries and taxed in neither)

Prevent countries avoiding tax when relocating assets

Prevent aggressive tax avoidance planning when other rules do not apply

Tax avoiders are often at least one step ahead of the regulatory bodies in any country. These measures are intended to make life difficult for anyone trying to wiggle out if paying what they should owe to the government to fund things

Who on earth would be in favour of that ?

LadyGAgain · 28/01/2019 13:16

So an ex-pilot writes an opposing POV and this is 'truth'? Ok then Hmm

BorisBogtrotter · 28/01/2019 13:16

Except all of that list is easily demonstrated to be untrue.

Dunno why there is an appeal to authority by listing it is posted by an ex RAF pilot.

Moussemoose · 28/01/2019 13:17

needsahouseboy

But your friend is clearly mad if he believes all that?

Unemployment increases by 37% every year?

So how long before we are all unemployed?

findingmyfeet12 · 28/01/2019 13:18

Ex pilot in the Gulf Wars Grin GrinGrin

KonekoBasu · 28/01/2019 13:18

@Tinyteatime

"There might be a property price crash and we might afford to buy? That’s the only possible positive I can think of for me."

Is it really though, given that many people could be plunged into negative equity and if they become unemployed have their homes repossessed.

And as others have pointed out, cheaper house prices may not help if everything else is more expensive.

noodlenosefraggle · 28/01/2019 13:18

'Singapore Style Economy' Oh great. A tax haven! I can live in a tax haven! All the poor people from the Commonwealth can come and work here and employers won't have to bother with pesky employment regulation, and once we manage to extracate ourselves from our obligations under the Human Rights Act too, we'll be well away! Lewis Hamilton may even decide to come back and live here! Yipee!

GalacticChickenShit · 28/01/2019 13:19

@CatnissEverdene

Are you busy preparing your comprehensive list of positive facts?

Scandaloso · 28/01/2019 13:20

Ex RAF is mentioned because we all know that Brexiters fetishise the WWII so this gives the idea of Biggles in his spitfire talking jolly good patriotic (non) sense. Honestly they wank themselves into a delirious frenzy over that guff.

PregnantSea · 28/01/2019 13:20

I think it's one of those things where we just have to see what happens. I'm confident that everything will be fine longterm but I can't think of anything terrible or wonderful that is definitely going to happen, seeing as how the govt have failed to decide on any fucking thing at all...

Fasten your seatbelts and say a little prayer lol

findingmyfeet12 · 28/01/2019 13:20

Jamie Oliver said he'd leave the UK if Brexit happened. Does that count?

Limensoda · 28/01/2019 13:20

So an ex-pilot writes an opposing POV and this is 'truth'? Ok then

I've seen a few of those rants posted and shared on facebook which are supposed to be the truth Grin
My friends who voted leave post them and declare victory over any other opinion.
Makes me chuckle....

Thishatisnotmine · 28/01/2019 13:20

I can't believe none of you have mentioned blue passports!

Blue! Passports! Totally worth economic uncertainty, higher food prices, shortages of labour on farms etc.... totally.

Blue!

bellinisurge · 28/01/2019 13:21

I had a blue passport back in the day. Meh.

diddl · 28/01/2019 13:21

"I was so complacent we would remain, I didn't vote!"

Bloody hell, you daft bugger.

Wonder how many people that applies to.

Jcsp · 28/01/2019 13:22

Positives....

Every day my daughter has enough insulin and has some for the next day.

I’ll feel positive about Brexit if I can cast this worry aside.

MuseumofInnocence · 28/01/2019 13:24

The only positive I can hope for is that those who voted leave will understand that 1) EU isn't to blame for all their problems, and 2) we live in an interconnected world with businesses that operate across the continent in particular and 3) While the UK is a relatively strong country, we are better working with our closest European partners rather than spurning them.

Aquilla · 28/01/2019 13:24

You'll not find many cheerleaders on this site OP. Mumsnetters claim to be poor, struggling and /or disabled. In actual fact you will struggle to meet a more privileged demographic. The term champagne socialist was written for these gals.

DustyMaiden · 28/01/2019 13:24

We will have fulfilled the will of the people. The lied to, misled, misguided, bigoted, racist people but the people nonetheless.

MuseumofInnocence · 28/01/2019 13:31

You'll not find many cheerleaders on this site OP. Mumsnetters claim to be poor, struggling and /or disabled. In actual fact you will struggle to meet a more privileged demographic. The term champagne socialist was written for these gals.

I'm not sure I understand the logic. In recent political history, anything that has damaged the economy has hit the least well off the hardest (see Austerity). While many of MN may be privileged, Brexit is also likely to hit those poorest the hardest.

MissWilmottsGhost · 28/01/2019 13:31

So who the fuck is Richard Knocker and where did he get his 'facts' from? People make shit up on the internet, you know. Maybe some links to actual real sources not some crap off facebook?

Maybe like the world cup. Sings ‘It’s coming home, It’s coming home, It’s coming, football’s coming home...’ Shit. Do you think that all those leavers thought we were voting on the World Cup?

I do believe this is my brother's reason for voting leave. He has never had the slightest interest in politics, and his frothing hatred of everything European can only be based on wanting England to beat the forriners at football Confused

MissWilmottsGhost · 28/01/2019 13:34

Actually, that is one positive of Brexit.

My leaver DM and abusive brother are no longer speaking to me.

I have tried to go NC for years but they just wouldn't go away Grin