Dogs in coffee shops?

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Is this a thing now? I've previously seen dogs in clothes shops and today am in a coffee shop (which sells food) and two dogs have been welcomed with treats from behind the counter.
I own two dogs - but ew!

I don't believe that the things you describe have happened very often.

I have never seen any of them happen at all (though by the law of averages I concede they must happen sometimes).

I don't see why children are in any way relevant to dog threads. Dogs aren't going to grow up to be paying the taxes that will fund our pensions and NHS treatment if they're still around, or indeed actually working in the coffee shops for their Saturday jobs.

Not every child will grow up to pay tax...

Dogs aren't going to grow up to be paying the taxes that will fund our pensions and NHS treatment if they're still around, or indeed actually working in the coffee shops for their Saturday jobs

What a child does in the future has no bearing on how they behave in public when they’re small.

Or are you suggesting we turn a blind eye on little Johnny running around in a cafe in case he becomes a surgeon?

You are far more likely to encounter a poorly behaved child than a poorly behaved dog in any establishment.

What a child does in the future has no bearing on how they behave in public when they’re small.

The point being that they're humans, juvenile and vulnerable humans who will hopefully grow into effective and contributing members of society. And not dogs.

There are too many parents who have no understanding of the fact that not everyone likes children and that even those who do don't necessarily want them jumping around them and making a mess on the tables - can we make all coffee shops child-free just to avoid the ones who don't have decent parents who ensure their offspring behave appropriately in public?
Brilliant!

common where we are - most places have a 'paws on the floor policy'.

You are far more likely to encounter a poorly behaved child than a poorly behaved dog in any establishment

How very true !

The point being that they're humans, juvenile and vulnerable humans who will hopefully grow into effective and contributing members of society

So what. It doesn't stop them making those ear-splitting squealing noises. It doesn't stop the parents from letting them run riot, causing health and safety issues. It doesn't mean that when they cough all over your tray, there will be zero risk of catching whatever it is they have got. It doesn't matter what children are, the point is that they have the potential to create an annoyance comparable to that which some people see in dogs.

On the subject of "vulnerable", I would argue that an elderly person, a waitress carrying a tray of hot liquid, an immunocompromised person or an autistic adult with noise sensitivity is far more vulnerable in a coffee shop than your average child.

Sorry, I should have said "an adult with autism", apologies.

The point being that they're humans, juvenile and vulnerable humans who will hopefully grow into effective and contributing members of society. And not dogs.

That's true and a fine thing indeed. How is sharing a space with dogs going to prevent the children of growing up, fulfilling their potential and contributing to society?

The point being that they're humans, juvenile and vulnerable humans who will hopefully grow into effective and contributing members of society. And not dogs

Well thank goodness a child’s future stops them from being a nuisance when they’re small. I didn’t know. Next time my peaceful coffee is being ruined by a screaming child, I’ll smile indulgently and thank goodness they may be a useful member of society in 20 years

How is sharing a space with dogs going to prevent the children of growing up, fulfilling their potential and contributing to society?

I didn’t say it wouldn’t. I said I didn’t understand why people bring “but children!” up when people don’t like sharing facilities with dogs, as though children are a different species.

Can i bring my uncle's police dog in training in??? Technically he will grow up to be a contributing member of society...

Apart from the fact that they're not dogs. That's quite a big difference. And lol atthe plea for compassion for dogs upthread, like you're addressing the United Nations on the subject of water poverty or something.

I have a dream ... of compassion ... of tolerance ... that one day all dogs will be free. Free to drink their cappuccino, free to salivate on a stranger's handbag. Free from the prejudice and hatred of people who want to drink coffee without a dog in the room.

hatred of people who want to drink coffee without a dog in the room

That sentence should be 'people who want to drink coffee without a dog in the room, who are also free to go to any other establishment that does not welcome dogs but are too stupid to realise or do so'

.. I have a dream that one day my four little dogs will one day live in a nation where they not be judged on the fact that they have paws and a tail, but be accepted as the humans they are. YES, because they are in fact exactly the same as children. I have a dream today.

I have a dream....that idiots will realise this thing called choice exists...as does choice of establishment...

I have a dream that people would stop being obtuse and realise that some of the criticisms of poorly behaved dogs in establishments equally apply to terribly behaved children. The only difference is some places can choose to accept / not accept dogs but the whole world has to accept little dahlings treating costa ad their own play area because their parents will smugly declare 'aww but kids will be kids, they're just spirited. If you wanted silence then go to a library'.

If you want a coffee with dogs allowed then frequent a dog friendly establishment.
If you don't, then go somewhere that doesn't allow them.
Simples

Ah, it's lovely. Do you not have them literally anywhere near you when you are eating or drinking anything at home?

Re non-contribution to society by dogs:

Service Dogs
Pets as therapy dogs, daresay others
Vets - we keep thousands of them in business
Ditto Pet shops
Ditto dog trainers, therapists
Insurance
and that's just off the top of my head.

And most of us pay for everything, not all done on the NHS

Wouldn't blame coffee shops for cashing in too!!

Don't knock them