To think the only people who want 'Nn Deal' have no idea what this means?

[KennDodd]

And don't believe you if you tell them. Facts and laws just seem to be wafted away as irrelevant.

pass for information campaigns

Weatherspoon's leaflet is just nonsense.

For the UK to be taken seriously, steps must be taken … to drop French and German imports to zero.

Insulin comes solely from France and Denmark. Stopping importation of French insulin would not be a good idea for diabetics - just one example of thousands.

We can buy food galore from the UK and New World

True enough, but the UK can only supply 50% of the food required in the UK - and this percentage will fall if the foreign vets and food pickers and packers all return home. The UK already imports food from the Africa and South America largely free of tariffs.

We can buy … cars from the UK

All of the major UK car assembly plants are owned by European and Far Eastern companies who will lose £millions a day in the event of a No Deal Brexit and who will close their UK factories by the end of 2019, if not sooner. JLR has a new £1bn factory in Slovakia and is already laying off workers in the UK. Toyota has just bought a 300,000-car-a-year factory in the Czech Rep. A million people in the UK depend on the auto industry for jobs, and millions more depend on the spending power of the car workers for their jobs. Almost all cars sold in the UK are assembled from parts imported from the EU or are built in the EU - even Kia, Toyota, Mazda and Hyundai make their cars in the EU for the UK market. 'American' cars such as Jeep are manufactured for the UK market in Italy, as Jeep is owned by Fiat.

@PinkGin24 - you obviously don’t understand the GFA.

I don't have an economics degree and wouldn't understand half of it, but that question seems a reasonable place to start

The problem is that that the vocal remainer posters on here have been pro corbyn, the disconnect between Global banks/businesses being pro EU and anti Corbyn muddy's the pond a little.

@MrsAriadneoliver
if I were to say I think many of the problems we face as a society now are bigger than Brexit, but as a result of the death of Christianity in this country, exacerbated by two world wars, and the decline of the nuclear family
I'd say you are spectacularly ill informed about British History

How have the remainders posts here been pro Corbyn? I assume you know Corbyn is very ambiguous and non commital (sceptical) about the EU?

Actually the OECD has been putting out quite a lot of information about the benefits of a strong public sector involved in economic redistribution for quite some time now. I'm sure I saw some similar literature from the World Bank too.

As Mousse says, the questions of internal social structure, involving the uniquely British class system and angst around it, and internal renumeration and internal redistribution systems are largely under the internal control of the UK. How many more times can I say internal? Other EU countries do not have the same internal social structures and internal class systems, which lead me to suspect that internal social dynamics are not under the control of the external EU.

Justanotherlurker
the vocal remainer posters on here have been pro corbyn
Ooh, I'd love to see where Corbyn has been praised by those supporting remain

as we all know he is strongly anti EU and wants a hard Brexit so he can turn the UK into a socialist utopia

Oh yes, forgot to add, that people who are pro-Corbyn are usually pro-Corbyn because he was the only voice asking for change in those internal social and economic redistribution structures. Not because he himself made us faint at the knees (sorry to him if he's reading). Some of us have gone right off him as a result of other issues.

The problem is that that the vocal remainer posters on here have been pro corbyn,

A bit of a generalisation! I think that many of the Remainers on MN are as dismayed by Corbyn's approach to Brexit as they are of May's. Much of the time it appears that there is little difference between what May says and what Corbyn says. Corbyn thinks that May spouts nonsense and May just replies that things would be worse under Labour, but neither has a plan of any substance and neither has any solutions to the Brexit issues.

if I were to say I think many of the problems we face as a society now are bigger than Brexit, but as a result of the death of Christianity in this country, exacerbated by two world wars, and the decline of the nuclear family

I'd say you are spectacularly ill informed about British History

Me too. I'm the first person in three generations of my family, going back to WW1, to have my child in wedlock, and stay (so far, fingers crossed) in wedlock. There are several 'wrong side of the sheets' children, going back generations, second families ditto.

I think it's hilarious that people actually think that everybody in the 'olden days' waited until marriage to have sex and children. Of course they didn't. Magdalene laundries anyone?

I'm asking for what we should have been given in those appalling propaganda theatric pieces that pass for information nowadays

You asked for specifics and don't want to accept that what you had in response is also (propaganda theatric pieces) [sic]

In terms of security I already have that, and it's all costs and no benefits.

It was you insinuating the threat, the slippery slope is on you.

Globalism has gone too far, but I'd like to see your solutions for dismantling it.

I'm a remainer who accepts globalism and neoliberlism, it's more on you how we should solve the problem, not asking leavers what they want

Totally agree, leavers are being stereotyped as thick and racist couldn't be further from the truth.. we are hard working individuals who believe in democracy and want what is best for the country not some idealistic view from know it alls that trash our opinion and do not listen to the majority. And we are the majority!!!!!!!

Oh yes @Nicholas22 , we've had enough of experts haven't we...

Now where have we heard that before?

I don't quite get that answer. But it's my bedtime. Information campaigns, I was referring to both remain and leave, neither were exactly informative. The only specifics I asked for was a basic list of countries we don't trade with now that we could do outside the EU as easily as within and what trade goods might be involved. That's not very specific is it?

Insinuating threats? When talking about security I was thinking of Northern Ireland and peace in Europe, the latter being what the EU was designed to cause. No benefits to leaving. A lot of potential conflicts, now and over the next 20 years +. I don't think a lot of people quite grasp the potential conflicts involved in having a foreign power across the Channel once again, one historically opposed to us and whom we've now pissed off, who is backed by a number of others. Not to mention internal breakdowns of the Union. To quote Peter Jackson "Our list of allies grows thin."

I will now wave my incredibly powerful magic wand and save the planet from globalism. Thanks for your faith.

@Parker231 - no one is going to risk breaching the GFA.

I think you are being a bit naive there. From what I can see, the British government don't give a shit about the GFA. They'll spin it in some way that it was all the mean EU's fault the terms were broken.

A bit of a generalisation! I think that many of the Remainers on MN are as dismayed by Corbyn's approach to Brexit as they are of May's.

This is getting into the natural revisionism, during the GE those that stand by their username have been pro corbyn and anti neo liberalism and despite corbyn's history treated the EU ref as a right/left wing issue, it's the left having the issue with being pro neolberal

@MrsAriadneOliver

Thanks for your response, but that's not what I was asking. I wasn't asking what was being propounded in the media. I was asking what made you think a No Deal was a good idea?

The OP asks whether people advocating No Deal know what it means. You stated an opinion that you thought it would be short-term pain for long-term gain, and would be worth it. What I was asking is what in particular makes you think that (i.e. what has made you plump for that particular view, rather than any others/opposing views- of which there are many), and what expertise or credentials do you have to make you satisfied that you have the capability to weigh up the opposing views and evidence and come to your particular view.

I do not mean to be rude when asking. I will give an analogy. I am not a brain surgeon, nor indeed a medic of any kind. If I were to read in the papers a debate between two leading brain surgeons discussing the merits of two different ways of extracting a tumour, I wouldn't have the first clue which was the correct view, having no expertise in the subject myself. I certainly wouldn't be willing to make clinical decisions on behalf of patients or surgeons based on a few newspaper articles. So I am wondering how we suddenly seem to have so many instant experts in macroeconomics, politics and international relations we suddenly seem to have in this country, who are happy to confidently bet the farm. I'm wondering what the confidence and willingness to take such a huge gamble is based on.

Do you have any particular relevant expertise/qualifications/experience that you have brought to bear on the subject? If so, I would be interested in learning of it, and hearing from you why you think you are right. My view is opposite to yours, and I am worried for our future.

@DoIReally - the Good Friday Agreement specifically disallows any border between NI and the Republic and any alteration of that binding international agreement requires the agreement of all parties. The Irish government has already stated that they will not agree.

This is probably the biggest issue to resolve in order to get the Brexit agreement passed.

Eh? Decline of the nuclear family? Oh i see...Brexit is the fault of single mothers! Of course...how silly of me!

When people say they are prepared to suffer short term pain for long term gain, they never say how much pain.

How long would you be happy with being out of work for, if your company shuts down or retrenches?

How long would you be happy with going without medication for?

How many people would it be ok to die in a resumption of hostilities in Ireland?

JustAnotherLurker

Because what you are asking is for impossible, you cannot say in detail how it will play out without resorting to op ed pieces, any op ed pieces offered in response will automatically be rejected. Can you answer in detail how staying in the EU will help the disenfranchised without including lots of caveats of "if we" and "probably", remember that the same Big Businesses, Banks and economists etc who are against leaving the EU are also against a Corbyn Government, so whats your definitive answer

I don't have a definitive answer. If I had to quantify it I'd hazard a guess that it's about 85/15% in favour of Brexit in general, and No Deal in particular, being an absolute disaster. But my whole point is that nobody knows (least of all the great British public who were somehow allowed to vote for it). And that given that the stakes are so high - our national wealth - it would be incredibly foolish to take a wild leap off a cliff like a load of lemmings.

Are you happy to take massive gambles and with your own wealth? If so, you're welcome round to mine on Friday night for a few games of poker. We'll stake your assets. Sound good?

Brexit is the fault of single mothers! Of course...how silly of me!

A trope that is a dead giveaway that opinions are garnered from the Daily Mail.

Who are you OP? The Brexit police?

@malificent7

It is silly to pretend that’s what I said, I agree.

Paintingtheroses
If your husbands company is the one that’s gone off to Poland I think it was, it was due to Poland being given a grant from the EU worth millions to lure the company over