To think the only people who want 'Nn Deal' have no idea what this means?

[KennDodd]

And don't believe you if you tell them. Facts and laws just seem to be wafted away as irrelevant.

The country is far better off outside the EU.

If MPs really thought we were better off IN the EU, we would be using the Euro by now. That speaks volumes to me. They want to be in EU, but they don't want the shared currency.

We are paying a fortune in currency exchange - and yet the reomaners moan about visa costs.

parker we could and should be making a deal with the EU.
We can't sort out that one how are we going to manage the more difficult ones?

Oh but Liam Fox has 40 deals up his sleeve ready to spring into action on March 30th!

passport I'm willing to be surprised!

"If MPs really thought we were better off IN the EU, we would be using the Euro by now. "

You know who thought we would be better off in the Euro... James Dyson.

MP's can of course think its a good idea to be in the EU and not the euro for many reasons, you are conflating two things there.

Did anyone read the article in Business Insider about the food and drink industry in the event of no deal? The head of the federation said within weeks 20% of food and beverage companies would cease to exist. He said that it's not a case of time running out, it's already to too late. Shelves will be empty.

Oh but Liam Fox has 40 deals up his sleeve ready to spring into action on March 30th!

Errr.... there was anger the other week because it turns out Fox's sleeves don't have deals in them and are rather empty...

red
I agree that there would be a very high cost in the short term to leaving without a deal.

I just wanted to highlight that we couldn't avoid making deals forever even if we left without one. I think sometimes WTO is thought to be a viable long term solution instead of a damaging emergency stop gap.

hahahah citing Thoburn, who appealed to the ECHR is hilarious.

No one backing no deal wants anything good for this country.

@freezing - yes we have to make trade agreements with EU countries (although they won’t be as good as we have now) but we aren’t allowed to make those agreements until we have actually left.

Redtoothbrush I was being sarcastic!

I agree that there would be a very high cost in the short term to leaving without a deal.

How high is high, and how high is too high a cost?

Can we have a measurement?

Maybe in the number of deaths?

I'm obviously managing to be as clear as mud parker. If we come to a transition agreement with the EU rather than crash out we can plan towards a final trade agreement. If we cannot even manage that and crash out on WTO terms then I am not seeing how we imagine we are going to be able to create these marvelous trade deals elsewhere.

I was in both Aldi and Poundland today. £land had gaps in emptying shelves, Aldi ran out of passata. Stocking up presumably.

red I think choosing to make your country poorer for a spurious and inaccurate concept of taking back control is nuts.
But leavers seem clear that a high price is worth paying.
To me that price would include issues with food, medicine, transport, currency, jobs, growth, world standing, NI border issues, increased pressure on Scottish Union. Just of the top of my head!

It is a high price but definitely worth paying, we are so intertwined that we have no identity.. we are not a mass but are going that way

It is a high price but definitely worth paying

I'll say again.

Please will you quantify what you think is an acceptable level of high price?

Speak those words. Don't hide behind platitudes which do not reflect the human nature of what that 'high cost' actually means.

Spell it out.

How many jobs? How many deaths?

Interesting that you feel entitled to state that the price is worth paying, when that price includes the breakdown of the peace in Northern Ireland.

I hope you get the opportunity to explain to some angry, terrified families in NI how it is that you feel able to confirm on their behalf that the price is worth paying

Oh but Liam Fox has 40 deals up his sleeve ready to spring into action on March 30th!

Fantastic! Shipping across the Seas is 6 Weeks - give or take a bit of course. So all wil be well by June.

And then, I shall ask, if you think 'a high price is worth paying' are YOU personally, willing to die for Brexit?

Not someone else nameless and faceless. YOU. Or your parents, or children or brother or sister. YOU.

Lets get this out in the open. Lets be honest about this and stop hiding behind platitudes and euphesisms.

{It is a high price but definitely worth paying, we are so intertwined that we have no identity.}
Of course the UK has it's identity, the idiots in the corner..

Terrified families in North en Ireland, you have lived with more terrifying day to day life than bexit.. Southern Ireland wanted to be independent...EU calling

nicholas I am sorry that you feel you have no identity.
I am very clear that I am Scottish, British and European. I am proud of all three identities.
Longer term it now looks as though I will end up with only two identities, my best guess would be Scottish and European.

As to the ultimate cost, a brief study of NI's history shows that clearly enough.

I've been bombed by the IRA. I was just around the corner at the time.

No I don't want to return to worrying about another conflict which cost lives of both British and Irish nationals. Innocent nationals.

Including children.

Or are you saying we should tolerate the deaths of more children 'in the name of Brexit'.

Please come on. Say it.

"I do not mind children being killed in the pursuit and name of Brexit."

SAY IT.

@Nicholas - how have we lost our identity by being a part of the UK? We have our own passports, currency, language, laws, taxation system, education etc