To think the only people who want 'Nn Deal' have no idea what this means?

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And don't believe you if you tell them. Facts and laws just seem to be wafted away as irrelevant.

I am not saying that at all but Eire wanted to be independent and are they are now

We will make deals. All countries do.
Yes.
They take years to make.
We wouldn't have that time before having a real problem with food and medicine

A couple of years back Liam Fox said we would have deals with the 40 countries the EU trades with, ready to be put in place a second after 29th March 2019 passes.

Also, how do we indeed to keep our national identity post Brexit in an era where social media and globalisation are still major forces anyway?

The argument that it is the EU that is the problem and threat to national identity is majorly flawed. The EU is part of globalisation, but leaving the EU will NOT prevent us from still feeling that same pressure of globalisation. Indeed it could well leave us far more exposed to those negative influences.

They were going to be the easiest deals in history, or was he referring to the one with the EU?

I am not saying that at all but Eire wanted to be independent and are they are now

Yes you ARE saying that.

Eire became independant a hundred years ago. ONE HUNDRED years ago.

I don't see how thats relevant to Brexit.

If you had to score 100 in an IQ test in order to vote in the June 2016 we would be be staying in the EU.

Ireland independence: Why Jan 1919 is an important date. Today Northern Ireland (part of the UK) and the Republic of Ireland (an independent country) make up the island of Ireland. But that wasn't always the case. Before 1921 the entire island, along with Wales, England and Scotland, formed the United Kingdom.

Are you independent now.. No

I think those parts of British identity that were worth something are being thrown the the fire too.

Trustworthy? Not any more, we don't want to honour deals already made.

Polite? Not if you're an immigrant.

Hardworking? Well we'll find out when the fruit's rotting in the fields.

Funny? Not the miserable bastards like Farange and BoJo. They cracks jokes like we think Germans crack jokes. Meanwhile the Dutch are hilarious?!?

I notice you won't quantify how many deaths Brexit is worth.

Thats enough of a point for me. Its always 'other people'.

So French, German, Dutch, Belgians have lost their identity?
not as far as I have noticed.

Are we talking about French, German etc, we are talking about Eire who have sold themselves to EU

OK, I think I've managed to follow the thin thread of what passes for logic in your posts..

You think that if a hard Brexit results in a hard border in Ireland and the breakdown of the peacce process, then Eire will be responsible for the ensuing terror/death/bloodshed, because they "wanted to be independent" from Great Britain and they chose to join the EU in their own right?

This is a fascinating insight into the mind of a Leave voter, do continue.

I think we are talking about a group of individual nations who have grouped together as they are stronger as a group.

Kind of like the wildlife films where the lone wildebeest gets picked off by the lion but the herd survives.

Anyone who supports no deal has either not thought it through, or value right wing ideology over a common sense concern for the economic best interests of this country

Unfortunately I think many of them know what it means. A majority of Leave voters say that causing significant damage to the economy is a price worth paying.

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There can be no reasoning with the majority of them over No Deal. Fortunately, as negligent as MPs have been over the whole process, I cannot imagine they would let No Deal come to pass.

We will have a new identity, the country where 17 million of its people were so boneheaded that its spineless politicians threw its future away for No Gain Whatsoever. The country that the rest of the world laughs at.

I’ve never lived in Northern Ireland but the risk of breaking the GFA is a far bigger issue than whether the UK will or will not prosper post Brexit. I really hope that no leave voters wants to leave the EU with that hanging over us.

Sold themselves???

Ok. If you say so.

You've still not said how many and who should die for Brexit.

I'm assuming from the direction this conversation is going, that its lots of Irish people who should die because they are preventing us from leaving the EU and this is somehow a war of independence.

Sorry. I'm slightly losing your train of thought. I'd like some clarification on this.

I think the Irish might be somewhat hostile to Brexit, purely because No Deal affects their supply chains and they are dependent on trade routes through the UK which Brexit would disrupt somewhat. Its not that they 'sold themselve to the EU'. It the UK who have made a decision without thinking of the rather large consequences for their smaller neighbour who has no say in the matter, and so they are turning to the EU to stick up for them cos we are tone deaf.

But as you were. Do tell, how high a price is acceptable?

No identity??? Jeez

I'm sure someone who is intelligent enough to have an Economics degree (BTW: I also have an Economics degree but maybe because it was joint with French, somehow I missed out on bits it was also a long time ago ) will also know that the UK can't get better deals with most countries with whom the EU has trade deals as they have MFN clauses in them

So even if the UK were able to somehow negotiate a better deal (given that the UK has a population of c65 million/GDP of c$2.6 trillion, versus the EU's population of c450 million/GDP of c$19 trillion), then anything the UK got, the EU would autmatically get

Quite apart from the fact that it was the UK that was blocking the EU's trade deal with India because it was unhappy about the extra visas that India wanted (ponders to self, I wonder which trade deal will be signed first after the UK leaves ); while the UK would have been happy to sign TTIP, the trade deal with the USA, which other EU countries weren't happy to do because of the lack of safeguards it gave to state support (eg, the NHS and similar services).

We can't put any contingency plans in place as no one knows what will happen and that will impact on all areas of business as all forecasts and budgeting are out the window. I have never seen anything like it in 30 years of employment

@Paddy1234 I totally agree. In every tender we receive, cost we put out and any report we write, “any effect of Brexit” is listed as an exclusion. It’s in every single risk register we do and the “mitigation” column is ominously blank.

Even when the government tries to do preparedness, the opposition vote so they can’t do it. Recipe for disaster.

British business will adapt and change to make the best of any deal. Trying to make the best of no deal is virtually impossible as there are too many things we don’t know and too many things we can’t prepare for.

Ireland can't have sold itself to the EU because it is part of the EU. Or do you think it's sold itself to itself? We are the EU. The EU us the sum of its parts, not some random entity.

Or are you saying we should tolerate the deaths of more children 'in the name of Brexit'.

That is a seriously bad appeal to emotion that is based on a slippery slope argument that can get very messy with regards to dealing with terrorists.