To think the only people who want 'Nn Deal' have no idea what this means?

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And don't believe you if you tell them. Facts and laws just seem to be wafted away as irrelevant.

Who will you blame?

I'll blame people like you surfer who voted for this and continue to support it. After all, you all claim that you know what you voted for.

Once we have got our country back we can build our own aeroplanes and cars and sell them to the whole world!

@mobyduck - now I know you are being stupid! Britain doesn’t have aircraft and car companies - they are owed by European businesses. If they pull out of the uk(and some have started to) who will employ the redundant UK employees - the numbers will run to tens of thousands.

Why doesn't Surferjet ever seem to compute the answers to the same old questions?

Maybe a visual aid would help - WW2 rations for a week, which if you look closely are barely more than many adults currently consume in a day. One egg a week, 3 rashers of bacon, a dozen teabags etc. This is what things might look like if the UK had to be self-sufficient or if there were a major disruption to food supplies - and this situation continued for 9 years after the end of the war as the UK struggled to recover.

Blimey! We are not going to war, we voted to make our country greater and more prosperous!

@mobyduck - what evidence do you have that Britain will become more prosperous - how is that going to happen with breaches in our supply chain, no trade agreements and major employers pulling out of the country.

@mobyduck - what evidence do you have that Britain will become more prosperous - how is that going to happen with breaches in our supply chain, no trade agreements and major employers pulling out of the country
I'm not saying it will, I'm saying it was what we voted for.

Moby must be satire.

To answer surfer's questions about who to blame?

I will blame you, and others like you.

People who have offered no answers other than fantasies and ridiculous reasons for their vote.

People who like you have claimed sympathy for the poor on spurious and facile reasoning..

People like you who have attacked anyone who disagreed with you and ganged up on other posters. Hypocritically complaining that you are being ganged up on.

People like you whose perpetual victim hood brought us here.

You won nothing.

A rabbit jumping into the pot for the farmer.

I think when Leavers say they "know exactly what they voted for", they are talking about immigration.

joystir didn't we have a proper leaver manifesto upthread? Where a poster stated in vivid terms that they hoped the UK would be obliterated or destroyed or something along those lines? That being the only way to bring about "change". Apparently.

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I think they're thick when they say that, especially when they then go on to complain about this mess they've created.

Sorry how much food do we buy from the the eu? It's about 30 %.

Who ran the abbotoirs pre 2000s?

Honestly I can't belive what I read on here sometimes.
It's polarised nonsense half the time.

I don't know about food specifically from the eu, because obviously we trade on eu terms with the rest of the world, and get food from outwith the eu, but it's eighty percent of our goods and products are imported.

Who ran the abbotoirs pre 2000s?

A volunteer!

Who ran the abbotoirs pre 2000s

You mean the ones that all closed down, so we now no longer have them in the uk, and won't have come no deal on the 29th March? Those abattoirs?

Yes we could definitely get more uk based ones in the future if they were economically and regulation and expertise viable. But that takes time.

Time that No Deal wouldn't provide.

www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Article/2018/07/17/Abattoirs-in-the-UK-on-the-decline
Are small Abbatoirs for the chop?

Which is why No Deal, in particular, is so shit.

That appears to be a rather selfish comment. To not care about democracy is I think, stupid, shortsighted and very selfish.

Honestly I can't belive what I read on here sometimes.

You can't believe it, or you don't want to believe it, or you don't understand it?

Who ran the abbotoirs pre 2000s?

Utterly irrelevant - it is now 2019 and the world has moved on. If the European vets move back to the EU, accepting the Brexiters' invitation to bugger off back where they came from, then 90% of all meat production immediately stops in the UK.

Sorry how much food do we buy from the the eu? It's about 30 %.

30% of food is produced in the EU. Much of the rest of the imported food, e.g. from Africa or South America, comes to the UK via Rotterdam and Hamburg and so will be delayed or in short supply along with the EU food.

I've posted above about the importance of ingredients - the problem with food is not just limited to finished goods. A typical 'British' pizza uses cheese from Ireland, tomato paste from Italy, herbs from southern Europe, mushrooms and peppers from Holland, ham and meat from Denmark and so on. A delay in any one of these ingredients stops the whole production line.

YABU unreasonable. totally unreasonable

We do you assume everyone who is happy with a "No Deal" is an untrammelled uncouth racist.

The EU has done nothing for this country. Ask Mr Thoburn's family what they think of the EU

Regardless of how painful or not leaving on a no deal basis is we will not stay on a no deal footing.
We will make deals. All countries do.
As our most significant trading partner one of the first blocs we will have to make a deal with is the EU.
Given we will have to make a deal with the EU we should be doing this now.
If we cannot make a trade deal with our neighbours who we currently have regulatory alignment with how are we going to manage more complicated deals?

Anyone just seen channel 4 news? Asking the father of someone who works at Airbus if he would still vote leave if it meant Airbus up sticks and his son loses his job, he said he would still vote leave. You couldn't make it up and they hate being called stupid?

The EU has provided the UK with huge amounts of money (we have the best deal of all members), freedom to travel, work and study, huge employment opportunities with European businesses based in the UK, a staple financial market and trade deals which won’t be replicated - and that’s for starters.

gth your job safe as houses with No Deal then?

@freezing - we can’t make deals whilst we are still a member

Passportapplication I'm not surprised. My mum voted leave despite her daughter (me), grandchildren and son-in-law living in another EU country and DH being a British scientist working for the EU.

We will make deals. All countries do.

Yes.

They take years to make.

We wouldn't have that time before having a real problem with food and medicine.