To think the only people who want 'Nn Deal' have no idea what this means?

[KennDodd]

And don't believe you if you tell them. Facts and laws just seem to be wafted away as irrelevant.

I am sick of the 'take back control' argument as if we can live in isolated splendour behind our hard borders, a tiny bigotted country getting poorer and poorer, but totally in control.

I live in a fishing town that voted leave so that we can fish in our own waters and not share them with anyone from the EU. Except that the fish arent really in our waters any more, they are further and further north due to climate change.

So who’s fault is it if people die due to lack of food/ medication getting into the UK?

The UK government. It is their responsibility. It’s certainly not the responsibility of the EU to make sure we’re fed.

Of course we produce some of our own food. The amount varies throughout the year. I think this time of year we produce the lowest. It’s not just the food being British but also the required equipment and staff. If you’ve got a machine that breaks and needs a component part that needs importing and the ports are blocked up, the food won’t get processed whether it’s British or not.

"So who’s fault is it if people die due to lack of food/ medication getting into the UK?

Who will you blame?

Also, do we not produce any food of our own? Is every morsel of food that passes our lips imported?

I’ve always supported British farmers & food produces & buy British.
Will I still stave to death?"

Who's fault - the UK government.
Who do I blame? - the UK government and everyone who enabled them including No Deal supporters .
Will I starve to death? - no but things are going to get much pricier. I hope you have the financial resilience and pantry resilience to deal with it.

Since when has " we won't starve" been something to aim for?

Can't wait to see who will be harvesting all the cabbages and turnips. Back-breaking work. My dad, who used to dig potatoes when he was a lad, is really glad EU workers now do it. Oddly, he's glad his granddaughter wasn't expected to.

The leave vote is one of victimhood

It is yes, that they treated us badly, that this is wrong that that is wrong, the cold hard indisputable fact is we will be worse off out of the eu. There is no land of milk and honey to quote sadiq Khan. There is even very little pretence now that there is, it's simply a case of how we mitigate it.

And I guarantee that the same folks screaming leave, when their place of work shuts down, when they are unemployed, when the cost of living has increased, when they can't find another job and neither can their children will not be sitting saying "this is good, I'm happy to take the pain" they will be screaming that it's someone else's fault.

From Sunlit Uplands to “hopefully we won’t starve” in 2.5 years

we don't grow many oranges lemons or limes

Perhaps we will stop being a fat nation- if we have to work on the land to grow food.

Unbelievable disaster about to happen.

A "no deal" Brexit means we go from having just about the best and most numerous trade deals of any country on the planet, to having none at all.

There are no possible new trade deals that would be better than the ones we have already.

A "No Deal" Brexit means that the car manufacturing industry, the aerospace industry and most other manufacturing will simply shut down. Not immediately, but quite soon.

Even worse, the services industry (which includes the City) will be devastated because the WTO doesn't even cover services.

A "No Deal " Brexit means you get to be unemployed and so does your husband and you have to drive a 20-year-old Fiat on the rare occasions when you can afford the petrol.

Let's just get out. No deal if needs be. No moaning, whining and no 2nd votes.

Surfer. We currently produce 31% of the food eaten in the UK. But many farmers are planning on reducing yields next harvest due to uncertainty over who will harvest them. There is also a major shortage of abbatoir workers so once EU labour goes, there's likely to be a reduction in meat availability. Most people will be fine as long as they can adapt and plan, but there are already people unable to afford a balanced varied diet. There will also be the impact of EU farm subsidises being removed and pushing prices up.

Joystir59- xenophobic

Let's just get out. No deal if needs be. No moaning, whining and no 2nd votes.

No deal certainly isn’t going to lead to no moaning or whining. No deal will lead to a lot of moaning and whining.

Hi @user1483972886 , you don't sound old enough to vote with that childish ill considered nonsense.

Let's just get out. No deal if needs be. No moaning, whining and no 2nd votes

Make Britain Great Again!

Ignoring the immediate impact of a No Deal vote for a second, and how long it would take to negotiate new trade deals, surely it puts us in the weakest possible position for any negotiations with any other country? The UK's economy will likely be on its knees; we won't be able to play hardball from a position of strength, we'll be desperate for any vaguely acceptable deals and get shafted as a result.

@user - if you want us to get out on a no deal basis, how do you suggest we manage the JIT supply chain and the GFA?

So who’s fault is it if people die due to lack of food/ medication getting into the UK?

Who will you blame?

Also, do we not produce any food of our own? Is every morsel of food that passes our lips imported?
^I’ve always supported British farmers & food produces & buy British.
Will I still stave to death?^

You make it sound a lot simpler than it is.

I would blame the UK government because ultimately its their responsibility to be aware of how this isn't a straightforward issue.

I personally DO make a point of supporting British farmers and buying locally. Including trying to be more seasonable in what I purchase. But this is harder than you appreciate when you start to try and do it properly.

We have got used to certain tastes and habits. The average household has pizza once a week and curry is the national dish these days. These trends would be ones which would have to be changed if there are big changes to our import / export trends.

Many people have lost the skills to be able to do this too. Whether it be through knowledge or simply a lack of confidence.

There is a family we know reasonably well who struggle with food currently. They are not well educated and both the father and the daughter are diabetic. They have been advised to cut sugar and white carbs from their diet. Except they literally don't know how to do it, and manage their diabetes with insulin rather than by regulating their diet - at some cost to their health I might add. Its dreadful to watch and know about. They need help to change. A sudden change wouldn't force them to change. They simply do not have the knowledge. They would be in all sorts of trouble if there was a shock to the system and they couldn't get hold of their usual crap. One that I don't think they could adapt to. If they can't adapt to it because of serious health reasons, I don't know how they could with food shortages.

Our supply chains have also been affected by the way we trade. Rightly or wrongly. We are in a situation where we consume more milk as a nation than we produce. In time we COULD change this and adapt. But again an immediate shock to the system would be one that would be incredibly difficult to cope with.

The bottom line is if we do want change, then we really do need it to be more gradual and managed rather than a shock which is what seems to be on the cards for purely political reasons. This isn't in the best interests of the population as a whole. And its for government to explain this responsibly and to manage the situation.

Which is precisely what they seem utterly incapable and unwilling to do.

The main problem with Brexit is the desire to over simplify everything and to resist any comment or reason that actually we need to be a bit more pragmatic than that.

No deal is shit for this reason alone.

user248 perfect leaver response and well thought out argument

So who’s fault is it if people die due to lack of food/ medication getting into the UK?

Who will you blame? - - the people who voted for Brexit and the government that allowed the conmen to dictate policy.

Also, do we not produce any food of our own? Is every morsel of food that passes our lips imported? - As is already known from numerous previous posts on Brexit threads asking the same questions and getting the same factual replies - the UK has not been self-sufficient for at least 200 years. Even at full capacity, the UK can only produce about half of the food required to feed the population. The rest is imported, mostly from (or via) the EU. For some vital medicines, the situation is even more critical - 99% of insulin comes from Denmark or France.

I’ve always supported British farmers & food produces & buy British
The NFU is warning that a No Deal Brexit will mean the end of British agriculture, so there won't be many farmers to support. British food producers rely on EU workers to pick, process, pack and deliver 'British' food - 90% of vets in the food industry come from the EU and if they go home, all meat production stops. 'British' food also uses ingredients from the EU - baked beans are made from Italian beans and tomatoes - so production stops if any ingredients are missing, or if there is no European CO2 to process and refrigerate the finished goods, or Swedish paper to pack the goods in.

Why doesn't Surferjet ever seem to compute the answers to the same old questions?

Leave voters - any message you would like to give to the employees at Airbus, Sony, Dyson and car plants?

Why doesn't Surferjet ever seem to compute the answers to the same old questions?

She’s inadvertently doing a useful public service? Gives posters a chance to explain to fresh lurkers