To think the only people who want 'Nn Deal' have no idea what this means?

[KennDodd]

And don't believe you if you tell them. Facts and laws just seem to be wafted away as irrelevant.

I find it amazing that the people most vulnerable to three things: the loss of EU financial subsidies, the neglect of a Tory government, and a low income, voted OUT.
Why? Did they think EU subsidies unimportant? Did they think the Tory elite had suddenly become compassionate? Did they think that JaguarLandRover, Sony, Dyson, Airbus,the Medicines Agency and others, re-locating to Europe would be good for jobs?
Perhaps the UK wants to return to a pre-industrial society where we all grow our own food and barter in local shops. I just don't understand it.

@Floweringalpines , short term with a no deal Brexit, there's a very good chance the supply network will be screwed up for a while so imported oranges might be a victim of that. Longer term, there is a market here for oranges, obviously. But if they are expensive, as you say, they will be more of a luxury item. And then different economics apply to importing luxury goods. Chances are they won't be much more expensive and importers will still be able to bring in high volumes keeping the prices affordable. Where "affordable " takes on a higher cost. If people are struggling with "affordable " now, how will that get better if prices rise, I wonder.

Moby I’ve heard from some Leavers that they wanted to remove the ability of the UK government to blame the EU for the problems. By leaving, the government (in their view) would have no one to blame but themselves.

My feeling is that the government and other leave campaigners would continue to blame the EU for being “mean” in negotiations, blame other countries for failing to form FTAs, blame those out of work for not looking hard enough, blame leave voters for having asked to leave etc. I think it’s highly unlikely they will ever accept their role in the state of the country.

I think post-Brexit there will be an average food inflation of about 15%.
Won't affect me personally one jot (mortgage free, several incomes), and may help with national obesity crisis, but will adversely affect a lot of families who "are just managing" but fortunately we have PM dedicated to helping just those people.
A lot of pain could have been avoided if people had not assumed the multi-millionaires Boris and JRM were not the nice people who live next door.

Flowering, short answer is customs. Right now lorries travel with fresh fruit & veg from Europe daily to stock shelves. No deal means paperwork being created for checks etc. At current rates, a lorry would take 8 hours for its load to be checked by 9 people. 11000 lorries pass through Dover each day. There isn't enough trained staff to cope with a sudden increase in checks. So much less food will be coming into the UK.
The UK can produce 31% of its on food (at current rate) and even the food coming in from outside the EU will get caught as they need to be checked (many of the countries have free trade deals with us as part of the EU which will stop).
Even if we decide to have no control over our borders and wave things through, there will be other issues as we then will be getting involved with WTO rules which preclude us from favouring anyone without a specific deal in place and waving through EU goods would mean waving through all goods without customs. So there would be no control/checks that the medication/food you were buying, was correctly labelled, no taxes flowing in to support government (approx 50billion last report).

@mobyduck , the idea that food supply issues will help the obesity crisis is a bit of a myth (another one). Yes, calories are a big part of obesity but so is access to a rounded diet with all the necessary components for a healthy one.
I had a close relative (since deceased) with a terrible problem of obesity. So bad they didn't get out. The person in charge of getting their food did everything to ensure only healthy and or low fat stuff crossed the threshold. This beloved family member (who lived in another country) didn't do any exercise, had patchy mental health and towards the end of their life stopped taking proper physical care of themselves. It's a heartbreaking problem that is not solved by a reduction in access to Belgian chocolate.

Moby I’ve heard from some Leavers that they wanted to remove the ability of the UK government to blame the EU for the problems. By leaving, the government (in their view) would have no one to blame but themselves
MissMalice, good point, I get that. Also some just wanted to put two fingers up to the establishment.
I didn't vote, so confident was I that we would remain. I was shocked at the result, as I come from a working class Welsh community.

But now we have the far right nutters (Tommy Robinson et al) capitalising on the catastrophe.
To give him credit, even Farage, who is a spoilt, upper-middle-class private-school educated idiot is trying to distance himself from Brexit.

Thank you so much for the explanations.

Most of my leave friends, of which fortunately there are few, are farming folk. Channel 4 the other night speaking to Welsh farmers was interesting! Think they are in complete panic mode now. Not sure if I feel sorry for them or a bit

YANBU

Yes I think when you're sharing a platform with the likes of Tommy Robinson you must realise you've taken a wrong turn somewhere!

It will not help the obesity crisis. It has the potential to make it worse in the long run.

I hadn’t noticed Farage distancing himself. Quite the opposite in fact.

I just cannot believe it. We are watching our biggest employers moving from the UK, and yet we are still bickering about Brexit.
Has the UK gone insane?

Yes I see Farage loving it all still sadly.

Shocking re Sony yesterday, as for Dyson...

Part of me is like another poster who thinks let it all happen and watch them all starve, the country disintegrate, Corbyn win and try and do a Venezuela on us - then I keep praying it's all been a Bobby Ewing dream... ( showing my age here)

Independent Online:
More than 250 companies are in touch with the Dutch government about moving to the Netherlands because of Brexit, officials have said.
The trade and investment arm of the country’s government has been soliciting moves from companies worried about access to the EU market, with Britain set to leave the single market and customs union.

A number of high-profile companies have already announced a decision to cross the North Sea, most recently Japanese electronics giant Sony specifically citing Brexit. Last year Panasonic also announced it was moving to Amsterdam.

More than 250 companies are in touch with the Dutch government about moving to the Netherlands because of Brexit, officials have said.

This makes me want to weep. All those jobs and taxes, gone, but hey, we will have 'taken back control'

This makes me want to weep. All those jobs and taxes, gone, but hey, we will have 'taken back control'

What makes ME weep is that it is the workers in those companies still clamouring to leave! Perhaps they all want early retirement?

Ford has just announced it is leaving because of Brexit.
It directly employs 14k people.
Heart-breaking.

More job losses will be posted in the coming weeks.
Can't anybody stop this suicidal madness! ? It is like WW1 where no one felt they could intervene to stop the self harm.

For the UK to commit itself to such huge financial self-harm, there must be a huge gain to make it worthwhile. What is it?

There is also an unseen impact going on now, large corporations are all moving their money out of the UK because of the risk of the pound crashing, which in itself starts to damage our economy hugely as our cash reserves dwindle.

I, along with lots of others, are in fact fully aware of what this means, just as we are aware that in the long run it will be better for us than accepting the current deal, or even worse staying. I could ask a similar question along the lines of Remainers and why they are so scared to take back control, and why they want to be tied to 27 other countries, all of whom have different agendas, the majority of whom we support!

Chloe fgs listen to yourself!! Have you read the above half dozen posts about job losses?? Are you immune to this? Please do share!

There won't be anything left to control!

We want to be tied to 27 other countries because working together is the only way those 27 countries plus us are going to compete and stand up for our collective interests against the US and China trading blocks.

If we leave the EU, and reject working with it, we will be under the control and influence of the US. Who won't give a shit about our soveriegnty and our own national interest. They'll just exploit us.

Thats the bottomline.