Is this sexism and can i complain?

[Tiscold]

Ok, me and my partner (male) wanted to relive a bit of our youth and go clubbing / night out yesterday as generally there's really good discounts on sundays and its a bit more relaxed.

So we approach a club and theres one line for both sexes but females have to go to the left once they reach the front and show ID to a female bouncer and males to the right and male bouncer. No issue so far.

This club charges an entry free "to help manage the crowds and improve the experience plus to absorb the costs of people not drinking and just coming and dancing after getting drunk at home" . I'm asked to pay £2.50 entry free and enter, my partner comes in and is grumbling that on a cheap night they've charged him a fiver for just entry.

Now surely that isn't right and is sex discrimination? They're charging more for men to enter then females even though we both use the same service. Am i being petty to complain and idk report them to somewhere or should i just get over it?

"for people on this thread to complain about sexism against women but not against men"

How do you know what all the people on the thread who said they don't care about this, do care (enough to complain) about sexism against women?

That's a very big assumption. And a bit of an odd one.

Have you put your complaint in to the club yet OP?

The double standards on here are shocking. So some women are happy to be treated like a piece of meat if it means they get a £2.50 discount!!

Some men would be more likely to support women's equality if women wanted equality across the board not just pick and choose what suits them.

Also you can't expect men to give notice to women's equality issues when you turn a blind eye to equality issues for men and make fun of them.

I agree with you 100% OP not only is it sexist it also objectifies women in a way. I wish more people (men and women) viewed sexism the way you do and stood up for what is right

I wonder if many men "get their knickers in a twist" over inequality directed towards women. Which is of course far more prevalent.

@NothingOnTellyAgain was you repeating back to me that I'm upset about discrimination supposed to be an insult...? It didn't land.

sexism has to be backed up by systemic and institutional power; women can face sexism as society is patriarchal but men can not

That is nonsense- any one going along with the "men are useless at multi-tasking/cleaning whatever.." is displaying sexism.

"Also don't place any value on the whole argument that the clubs are "optimising their male to female ratio"?!? I mean WTF? This perpetuates the trend of nightclubs as some kind of meat market and that there needs to be enough women to "go around" ugh vom."

Of course it does. That is the whole point of why they are doing it. Are you seriously suggesting it is because they just want to be nice to women?

I don't think some people understand the difference between talking about systematic sexism/men as a class and talking about men as individuals. They should if they want to discuss this issue effectively.

I for one am not going to shed any tears for men and their slightly more expensive nightclub admittance. They can use the money they get paid more than their female counterparts to foot the bill I'm sure

They're glorified cattle markets and women are the product to lure men in which is why they're discounted.

But what if my husband isn't paid more then his colleagues? Does this mean the club should lower the price for him?

What if the man and women work part time, should the women pay more then as part time females earn more then part time males?

Press Association have shown that between the ages of 22 and 29, a woman will typically earn £1,111 more per annum than her male counterparts. So should a women have to pay more between those ages then?

See how stupid it sounds. How about we treat everyone equally. This may not be a big thing compared to the rape crisis, or the levels of domestic violence, but doesn't mean we should ignore it. The more we chip away at the small, casual, everyday sexism people have become used too, the more likely we're to get full equality.

@GunpowderGelatine exactly!

men want to call it sexism... when 1 in 3 have experienced sexual harassment, when men make up only

. 6% of FTSE 100 CEOs
• 16.7% Supreme Court Justices
• 17.6% of national newspaper editors
• 26% of cabinet ministers
• 32% of MPs

When two men are killed a week by their violent partners, when the police receive 100 calls an hour about domestic violence, when men don't have their reproductive freedom challenged on a daily basis, when men aren't restricted by the triple burden of social domestic and emotional labour, when men aren't afraid to walk at night or subjected to sexist advertising on public transport, when mens bodies aren't scrutinised on an hourly basis... THEN we can talk about paying £2 more to get into a club

SheAlreadyDoneHadHerses >

Um, no? Try reading what I wrote. I thought you might want to get together with the OP and support her complaint, as you seemed quite passionate about it.

How is that an insult?

Ticold do you genuinely think that the reason women are sometimes charged less / let in free to nightclubs

Is because nightclub owners are keely aware of the gender pay gap and want to do their little bit to help?

And also proper lol TBH

This thread has gone nuts!

Anyway>>

Have you put your complaint in yet? Rather than trying to argue with people who in the main have agreed that it's probably (definitely) illegal and have given some advice around how / who to report it to?

"Press Association have shown that between the ages of 22 and 29, a woman will typically earn £1,111 more per annum than her male counterparts. So should a women have to pay more between those ages then?"

That's a very specific piece of info to have at your fingertips, OP!

Is this a wider interest of yours, I rather belatedly begin to wonder...

This thread has been enlightening.

The number of posters (I assume women but wouldn't want to dead-gender) who think sexism towards men is impossible - within their definitions of the word - as well as those who think sexism towards men simply doesn't matter.

They ignore situations where women benefit from disparities. I assume they deny innate sex-based differences.

I also assume that they're the ones who think that men should be doing more to help women get 'stuff'.

I have no idea how someone can twist their own logic quite so well. Gender studies NVQ at a poly, I assume.

Am lol at the determination of some to insist that answers to OP have mainly / all been shut up fuck off when in fact most have said this is illegal :D

I suppose some people hear what they want to hear... Or at least read what they want to read.

|There is a thing isn;t theer wheer some people, when women speak, hear what they think she is saying,rtaher than listening to what she is actually saying....

Intersting thread.

OP > have you complained to the club yet?

"|There is a thing isn;t theer wheer some people, when women speak, hear what they think she is saying,rtaher than listening to what she is actually saying....

Intersting thread."

Irony!

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[acetone]?

I already said i had complained well up thread, so people suggesting I'm the one not reading

The information comes from the wonderful google, the amazing source of showing you stuff you want to find out.

I've noticed most people have said that it's illegal but there's still a number of posters who seem set on saying sexism can't be against men, its only a couple of quid, get over yourself etc. Ive also been called a MRA so yes i got defensive

Why are you offended by the accusation you think about men's rights?

What do you mean?

"Ive also been called a MRA so yes i got defensive"

Why?

What is wrong with considering that men can lose out in an inequitable society? Why did you get defensive?

To be honest men may be paying less but the point is that women are still the victims here. The reason they're paying less to get in is because they're basically being treated like a commodity. Like the club's only worth going to if it's packed with females. Many places also offer women reduced drinks as well, clubs packed with drunk females being even more attractive I'm guessing.

It's not the biggest deal in the world but by ignoring these little things it makes the big things harder to challenge.

nope this is normal in london
ladies free before 11pm and £10 after Gents £20 all night

Glad you have got in touch OP, hope your DH gets a refund and they review their pricing policy.

I'm sure they will do that let us know if they don't obviously.