Is this sexism and can i complain?

[Tiscold]

Ok, me and my partner (male) wanted to relive a bit of our youth and go clubbing / night out yesterday as generally there's really good discounts on sundays and its a bit more relaxed.

So we approach a club and theres one line for both sexes but females have to go to the left once they reach the front and show ID to a female bouncer and males to the right and male bouncer. No issue so far.

This club charges an entry free "to help manage the crowds and improve the experience plus to absorb the costs of people not drinking and just coming and dancing after getting drunk at home" . I'm asked to pay £2.50 entry free and enter, my partner comes in and is grumbling that on a cheap night they've charged him a fiver for just entry.

Now surely that isn't right and is sex discrimination? They're charging more for men to enter then females even though we both use the same service. Am i being petty to complain and idk report them to somewhere or should i just get over it?

Yes i know it's minor issue compared to them, but does that mean i can't be bothered by it?

There's minor issues that affect women but hey lets not be bothered about them, as we've bigger things to worry about

It is sexism yes but maybe not for the reason of the entry fee. It is sexism because the promoters are attracting women [because they can get in cheaper] in order to attract male custom, so "C'mon guys, we've got drunk girls for you in here", that's the sexism.
Yes.
It's sex discrimination to charge men and women different amounts to get in.
But the sexism at the heart of the issue is a club wanting to get a club full of women, probably drunk, and then charge men more knowing they'll pay for the privilege of higher odds getting laid.

But hey on mumsnet,it seems only sexism against one group is fine but then we've uproar against any sexism against the other sex.
OP you're starting to sound like a MRA now.

Tell me, do you lobby and complain on taxes for sanitary products? Do you send letters of complaint to companies like bic for selling ' bic for her' at a higher price than normal bic pens? Do you do the same for toiletries where there same products are more expensive for women?

If you do then great and I can see why this situation over £2.50 has annoyed you. If you don't then it all seems a bit MRA woman tries to prove her new world woke credentials in which men are the victims of women.

When women are subject to violence, harassment, unequal pay, and generally treated worse than men as a class across the board, I doubt I would get my knickers in a twist about £2.50

But the cheap entry for women is a part of all that. It isn't a privilege

I do not consider being objectified a privilege, I consider it to be demeaning. Charging men more to go in, because there are women in there, can convey to some men that they have already paid for the women...which is bloody unhealthy for both the women and the men - this sums it up well.

Be bothered about what you want and complain about what you want. I couldn’t be arsed but if you can, crack on.

I am with you Tiscold.
It’s discrimination 100%.

@Tiscold

I agree with you.

"But yes it is also sexist to use the lure of women to get custom"

It's conjecture because you're basing it on nothing provable. For the sake of argument, I say you're wrong. How do you prove you aren't?

@Schmoobarb

Some of us can think about more than one thing at a time. I assume you get your knickers twisted (your expression, not mine) at all forms of sexism when women don't benefit. You seem like the kind of person who would.

@Maisypops

"OP you're starting to sound like a MRA now. "

And if there's one thing that MN posters hate, it's men's rights. No one has ever explained why men wanting equal rights is bad or why men advocating for men is bad. I'm nearly bored of asking. Typical responses say things like 'x number of women are abused by men' or 'something, something gender pay gap' or 'men who think about men are selfish because they're men' but none actually answer the question.

Precisely, discrimination and sexism against both parties.

But hey it's only minor, so stop getting annoyed by it, don't get your knickers in a twist etc. But it's not acceptable for men to say that is it? That's what pisses me, they're being discriminated against as well, but as we've it worse lets just ignore it

I'll admit, i had to google the word , so just wanted to know what you meant .

And good point, i couldn't prove that statement.

@blockChainStrategy completely agree with your points

Nice try. But perhaps you might like to go froth somewhere else. Very strangely worded post, what kind of club has separate male/female clubs?

It’s a private business which can do this is they like. If you don’t like it then go somewhere else. Many places restrict women. Others restrict men. Market place will decide.

The faux outrage is ridiculous.

I didn’t say I couldn’t think about more than one thing at a time. I said I couldn’t be arsed complaining or getting bothered about this one thing. Me, personally. The OP can do what she likes.

And how you’ve managed to glean “the kind of person” I am from 2 posts is amazing. You clearly have a special gift :)

But yes it is also sexist to use the lure of women to get custom"

It's conjecture because you're basing it on nothing provable. For the sake of argument, I say you're wrong. How do you prove you aren't?

Are you serious? This "privilege" is for no reason other than to avoid a club having few or no women which means men are unlikely to stay there.

"You clearly have a special gift"

My Apple Watch? It's weird you know that from my posts!

Do MN need to report themselves to the ICO again?

It is sex discrimination. The complaint would probably carry more weight if it was made by your partner (the person who was discriminated against).

I think you are correct but it's telling that your DH doesn't care! How exhausting for women to be held responsible for sexism in both directions...

The club isn't seperated into sexes, you clearly haven't read it well enough but still comment on my writing .

I said the sexes have their id checked by seperate bouncers, females get female bouncers and males a male bouncer. You then pay the bouncer, and go into the club together.

So it's an acceptable business decision to charge one sex more. So as a previous poster kindly showed us, why can we complain, about getting charged more for goods if we don't complain or care if it happens to the other sex?

"Are you serious?"

Yes.

Do you know what conjecture means?

I am 54 and it was the same in my day with males paying more. I was always under the impression it was to discourage groups of males and the subsequent fighting that ensued.

You are right its unfair

And you should complain and take it higher

To me its like a company charging women more for mediine and razors though obviously a woman can buy what she likes as long as she is on the ball and a man will have to pay the nightclub fee

To me its like a company charging women more for mediine and razors though obviously a woman can buy what she likes as long as she is on the ball and a man will have to pay the nightclub fee

It's not like that, though, because a man could easily buy "female" razors, or a woman could get "male" ones. Don't know about medicines - we all pay £8.80 for prescriptions in England, unless you have income-, age- or medical-related reasons to pay less/none. OTC medicines are just as much on sale to men as to women. But I would be very surprised if a club would accept a man on the door saying he wanted a woman's entrance fee that night (unless he was clearly identifying as female,) because the bouncers are making the decisions about customers being male or female and charging accordingly. It'd be more like picking up a pack of Bic razors and being charged more for that pack because you're a man, not because the handles are pink plastic rather than orange.

I said the sexes have their id checked by seperate bouncers, females get female bouncers and males a male bouncer. You then pay the bouncer, and go into the club together.

Weirdest set up ever.

Why the need to explain why they charge the fee.

You say elsewhere that they charge more for other nights. Why isn’t there outrage about those who are unable to go clubbing on a Sunday having to pay so much more?

Clearly you came on here looking for people to disagree so you could make wild claims about how poor men are so put upon. Private clubs can have whatever pricing strategy they like.

ebearhug

Well thats why i said that a women wouldnt have to buy expensive womens ones if she was on the ball

women are overcharged for womens versions of things...they are charged more because they are women

In the same way the OP could in future only go to nightclubs that dont overcharge men a women could buy the 'male' version of stuff

The thread teejay refers to is about the workplace...so completely different

But i think you and i are probably agreeing about the situation

Thing is if you look at the reasons as to why clubs let women get in free/cheaper it's still rooted in sexism not exactly benefitting women. It's tacky, I've heard of it in the States didn't realise they did here too.

But i didn't come here looking for an argument, unless you know differenetly to my own mind?

So sexism is ok then? So any business can chage women differenetly to men and we have to be ok with it? So why dont tesco start making us pay more for food, they're a private business so we will just have to suck it up right?

There isn't outrage about the nights because the night of the week isn't a protected characteristic, but sex is .

It says on the website why they charge the fee, so i included it, sorry if that offended you.

How is it a wierd set up, i see it lots of places. Females, female bouncers, so if they need to get checked then they can do it. And the same for males, i find it more wierd you're focusing on that then the clear sexisn tbh

"So if a women was made to pay more for something would it be a first world problem?"

30K women lose their jobs every year because they are pregnant. This is illegal discimination and yet it still happens. It is raised in papers occasionally but no-one gets particularly excited about it.
In fact they get so unexcited that when the govt (turns out illegally) put in a big £££ to take employers to tribunal, which has mainly disadvanted women inc the pregnant women, no-one really said much at all.

I find it interesting that your male partner - the one who was disciminated against - was not fussed.

And I am finding it hilarious that one poster is claiming that there's no proof that women are charged less to get them in, in order to get the men in. So in fact men are advantaged by this policy, as they get more women to look at and possibly try to pull. Men do not want to go to clubs that are full of men unless they are gay. Women OTOH are quite happy to go to majority women things and in my day I used to go out with lesbian friends specifically to get away from pestering men. There is a dynamic there that you are missing entirely which is kind of interesting.

Council is your first port of call.
Like I say, fact your OH doesn't give a toss is v telling.