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Is this sexism and can i complain?

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Tiscold · 15/01/2019 18:46

Ok, me and my partner (male) wanted to relive a bit of our youth and go clubbing / night out yesterday as generally there's really good discounts on sundays and its a bit more relaxed.

So we approach a club and theres one line for both sexes but females have to go to the left once they reach the front and show ID to a female bouncer and males to the right and male bouncer. No issue so far.

This club charges an entry free "to help manage the crowds and improve the experience plus to absorb the costs of people not drinking and just coming and dancing after getting drunk at home" . I'm asked to pay £2.50 entry free and enter, my partner comes in and is grumbling that on a cheap night they've charged him a fiver for just entry.

Now surely that isn't right and is sex discrimination? They're charging more for men to enter then females even though we both use the same service. Am i being petty to complain and idk report them to somewhere or should i just get over it?

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GunpowderGelatine · 15/01/2019 23:34

TBF OP women are constantly expected to pay more, or work for less, than men, I think if anything were being sold short on just a £2.50 discount

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Tiscold · 16/01/2019 00:16

But there's legislation in place to deal with it, and we rightly complain about it, challenge companies about it, discuss it on the feminism board etc

But when an issue where men were being unfairly treated happens, hey get over it, its been happening ages, they can suck it up etc

Tbh, no wonder so many men don't support the feminist and womens right movements, when we show absoloutley zero shits when sexism is occuring against them, why should they show any shits about us and our rights?

Like a previous poster said, do you really care? Stop trampling on our benefits. So why should any men care about equal rights for us as all we're doing is trampling on their benefits.

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GunpowderGelatine · 16/01/2019 00:21

Tbh, no wonder so many men don't support the feminist and womens right movements, when we show absoloutley zero shits when sexism is occuring against them, why should they show any shits about us and our rights?

The reason men don't support feminism is because it threatens their privilege. They will probably tell you it's because of things like this, but it is t.

And with respect, women face issues such as domestic violence, rape, sexual harassment - as a direct consequence of men's bad behaviour. Hardly comparable with paying £2.50 extra for a night club ticket. They SHOULD support feminism and women's rights because they're the exact class of people who do damage to women and they're the reason we need to fight for rights in the first place. Men and women are not on an even keel when it comes to sexism - not even close. So forgive us if we concentrate on what effects us and don't get out knickers in a knot over trivial issues of the menz.

But hey if you think that paying a tiny bit extra to get into a club justifies them fucking us over then I'm only sorry you have such low expectations of men

nocoolnamesleft · 16/01/2019 00:33

It's sexist. They're assuming that charging women less, so that there are women there, will cause more men to be prepared to pay to go in. So in pure financial terms it's sexist against men, and in terms of objectification it's sexist against women. Urgh.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 16/01/2019 00:37

They're assuming that charging women less, so that there are women there, will cause more men to be prepared to pay to go in

And yet 99% of women and men going there know that and are ok with it. What happened to free will/choice?

MargueritaPink · 16/01/2019 00:38

OP you have missed what is wrong with this by quite some way.

It's sexist. They're assuming that charging women less, so that there are women there, will cause more men to be prepared to pay to go in. So in pure financial terms it's sexist against men, and in terms of objectification it's sexist against women. Urgh

The price reduction has damn all to do with being a benefit for women. As someone said it's about women as a commodity. Women are basically part of the fittings of the club to attract male customers.

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Tiscold · 16/01/2019 00:40

Ok sure

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Tiscold · 16/01/2019 00:40

Yes, i agree they're using the women as a way to attract men to clubs, yes sexist in that way.
Theyre also charging one sex more so sexost in that way.

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OlennasWimple · 16/01/2019 00:47

It's sex discrimination but you would need to take it to court to demonstrate that it was unlawful discrimination. The venue may have good reason why they charge in this way, which is legally persuasive

If you did pursue it, your case would have more clout coming from your partner as he is the party that has been "wronged", rather than you who benefitted from it

Like you I had assumed this stuff had sort of died out, but I guess clubs full of men and hardly any women are as unattractive now as they were back then. I used to go to a club that only allowed men in when they were accompanied by a woman - each woman could take in two men, which effectively meant never paying to get in as blokes outside would offer to pay in exchange for you accompanying them in. A very small fringe benefit of being female

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Tiscold · 16/01/2019 00:47

But no i think I've a valid point.

Yes men should support feminism as the horrific affect of sexism affects them and their sisters, mothers, faighters, wives, colleagues, friends etc.

But we should also support them when they're being discriminated against.
Just because its 2.50 doesn't make it not sexism.

Love your comment of the menz though, almost as if you're mocking them, funny how if they called me or you a feminazi or something it would be a major issue.

I'm not comparing 2.50 to rape or the violent assault levels, it's just laughable you claim to be for equal rights but when one sex is being discriminated against you don't seem to care or mock the person that does.

And before you comment, i do see first hand the affect of sexism, because on saturday night i picked up a women who had been battered by her husband, both her eyes were swollen shut, and she was bleeding from the vicious attack she had suffered. This doesn't mean i can't also recognise the sexism against men.

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Tiscold · 16/01/2019 00:49

But one poster above you says hey this is a female privelage so lets keep it, so why expect men to lose a privelage when women don't want to lose the privelage

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nocoolnamesleft · 16/01/2019 01:00

I do not consider being objectified a privilege, I consider it to be demeaning. Charging men more to go in, because there are women in there, can convey to some men that they have already paid for the women...which is bloody unhealthy for both the women and the men.

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Tiscold · 16/01/2019 01:38

Precisely, sexist against women for objectifying us but also sexist against men by charging more.

But then you've some people on this thread going omg men getting discriminated against yay, lighten up it's only sexism

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SpamChaudFroid · 16/01/2019 05:34

You seem most aggrieved OP! This very subject is discussed quite a lot on the nice-guy forums.

In your email to the club owners shall you be pointing out how it's not on to use women as commodities? You don't seem bothered by that really...

blockChainStrategy · 16/01/2019 07:16

Of course it's sexism.

What kind of moron would think otherwise?

DoYouLikeBasghetti · 16/01/2019 07:19

Omg are you an incel? Enjoy your £2.50 off and stuff.

DoYouLikeBasghetti · 16/01/2019 07:20

Stfu autocorrect lol

Slamadramafamalam · 16/01/2019 07:22

It is sexism yes but maybe not for the reason of the entry fee. It is sexism because the promoters are attracting women [because they can get in cheaper] in order to attract male custom, so "C'mon guys, we've got drunk girls for you in here", that's the sexism.

blockChainStrategy · 16/01/2019 07:24

@Slamadramafamalam

Ooh, I see the kind of morons...

Giving women a discounted entry is somehow sexism against them.

It must be tough being you.

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Tiscold · 16/01/2019 07:40

Its still sexism that they charge more for men to get in.

But yes it is also sexist to use the lure of women to get custom

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Tiscold · 16/01/2019 07:41

Must be tough being me, because i recognise it's sexist to charge one sex more for a service?

God i agree it must be tough Hmm.

Hey let's charge women more to go to the cinema then, is that ok?

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blockChainStrategy · 16/01/2019 07:43

"But yes it is also sexist to use the lure of women to get custom"

That's simply your conjecture.

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Tiscold · 16/01/2019 07:45

And yes I'm a little fucking aggrieved, because people are saying hey we have sexism against us so if it happens against men ignore it, it doesn't matter, it benefits us so why are you complaining.

So then why can't men say that then? Why can't men say hey we get paid more, but it benefits us so sorry women suck it up none of us are going to do anything about it.

But hey on mumsnet,it seems only sexism against one group is fine but then we've uproar against any sexism against the other sex.

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Tiscold · 16/01/2019 07:47

How is that conjecture?

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Schmoobarb · 16/01/2019 07:47

Complain if you want but I couldn’t be arsed. They might just say the usual price is £5 but you got a discount, not that the prices are different. Ie that other women were also charged £5.

When women are subject to violence, harassment, unequal pay, and generally treated worse than men as a class across the board, I doubt I would get my knickers in a twist about £2.50.

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