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Death Penalty for Bellfield

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Charlotte48 · 09/01/2019 19:42

Having watched Manhunt about the investigation into the evil paedophile; child killer; woman killer; woman abuser and beater, Levi Bellfield, I was just wondering if, after Brexit, we should restore the death penalty. Surely Bellfield should be executed.

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Imissgmichael · 10/01/2019 01:05

Bumblebean I agree with you. Far to many people on this thread care about the perpetrator. It sickens me and makes me worried about what they get up to or would like to get up to in real life.

User758172 · 10/01/2019 01:06

@Imissgmichael

You’ll get callled all sorts when you don’t go along with the prevailing opinion! I know I’m in the minority but I haven’t read anything here that would change my mind. I agree with you that violent criminals shouldn’t be free to walk the streets. But our prison service needs a complete overhaul.

User758172 · 10/01/2019 01:14

@Madders45

If my child were murdered, I’d pull the lever myself. It would crucify me to know that they continued to live having taken my child’s life. It’s something I could never come to terms with. It’s simple to me: they forfeit their right to life when they take another and behave in a way injurious to society as a whole.

ADropofReality · 10/01/2019 01:17

The Guildford four were found innocent

The Guildford Four may not have laid the Guildford bomb; but they had sympathy with those who did lay it; and they had sympathy with the aims of those who did lay it, i.e. removing by force and terror a part of this nation despite the majority of the population of that part wanting to remain British.

Treason, and murder in the name of terrorism, is better than plain old murder, then?

Imissgmichael · 10/01/2019 01:30

Your quite right adrop. I was going to post something similar but couldn’t find the information I wanted. Of course ultimately you shouldn’t be prosecuted for a bombing you didn’t plan but let’s not paint them as saints.

ilovesooty · 10/01/2019 01:39

Green will be along after his nap

What's that about?

Racecardriver · 10/01/2019 01:43

No. What does brexit have to do with it though?

ilovesooty · 10/01/2019 01:44

And no.

The death penalty has no place in a civilised society.

Imissgmichael · 10/01/2019 01:46

Ilove, your right I don’t know the gender or biology sex of green. Is it relevant to this discussion?

Racecardriver · 10/01/2019 01:46

@cheddarisnottheonlycheese that’s the point though. People are regularly imprisoned on poor evidence or because their state appointed lawyer is shit. Most people who are convicted are in fact guilty but there are innocent people who are convicted. It’s not right, in the light of that, to give the state the right to kill. (Not to mention it would put us in terrible company with the lines of China, America, SA etc)

GySgtHartman · 10/01/2019 03:01

All this does is confirmed my suspicion that so many people voting for Brexit didn’t know what the hell they were doing.

So everyone that voted remain knows very aspect of staying in Europe? Every rule? where all our money goes? Every advantage?

Meanwhile of you voted to leave you simply didn't understand how it all works. Understood!

NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 10/01/2019 03:24

Meanwhile of you voted to leave you simply didn't understand how it all works. Understood

Tyats not what that poster meant at all an i suspect you know that Hartman

The poster says many people who voted for brexit don't understand what they were voting for. Not all, MANY. tbh i suspect many that voted remain don't know or understand all the issues either. I certianly don't, just for me the stuff i do know about made me vote the way i did.

However there are people, people who i suspect get their views driplined to them from the likes of mrs Hopkins, who think the reason we don't have the death penatly is the EU, or basically the reason we have any law that these people don't like or don't have laws they woild like, is the EU.

They'll come out with statements like oh well its the EU that says we can't smack our kids, never did me any harm. After Brexit we should bring back the death penatality. Oh its the EU's fault we can't do what the hell we like, it wouldnt be against the law if we weren't /we could make it law when we leave. An no the people who voted leave for those reasons don't really understand no.

Yes of course there are good many people who voted leave, who do understand, probably understand more than many that voted remain, equally there are people that voted remain that understand more than many who voted leave.

GySgtHartman · 10/01/2019 05:15

I did get that. What is implied though is she feels that those who voted remain in the majority understood what they were doing. Those that voted leave did not.

SummerBambinosMum · 10/01/2019 05:30

Absolutely not. If it were to be brought back then there would without doubt be injustices committed somewhere along the line where the prisoner was not guilty of the crime they are receiving the death penalty for. This has historically happened in America and we should be proud to not risk this in England.

DeltaG · 10/01/2019 05:35

No, the death penalty should never be reinstated.

If someone could whack his 'mother', that would be something though.

Graphista · 10/01/2019 06:50

I'm against the death penalty.
(And it has sod all to do with brexit!)

Don't agree with state sponsored murder (ESPECIALLY with current govt - I genuinely wouldn't put it past them to fit up dissenters)

Don't think the possibility of executing innocent people should be forgotten (especially now DNA can be replicated, and it's beginning to be understood that DNA spread can occur without the original "owner" being at that place or with that person. There's people that have been convicted "on DNA evidence" that have since been acquitted - and even other perpetrators discovered. NO person should be convicted on ONE type of evidence).

"Things have moved on since the olden days we have CCTV and DNA" both can be manipulated - hell just contaminated by someone fucking up!

If they have knowledge of the locations of other people they've killed which could bring peace to the families we need to do all we can to get that info. (Short of releasing them)

It's too good for them! Let them live and suffer - but in prison.

What I DO want to see is full life tariffs for all murderers, rapists and paedophiles and I think the woefully low conviction rates and sentencing for certain types of criminals is fuelling the desire for the death penalty. People are sick of seeing the likes of John broadhurst (Natalie connollys killer), John leathem, Stephen mitchell, Jon Worboys etc getting minimal sentences for horrific crimes AND often serving even less than half of those anyway!

"That’s going to work wonders for rehabilitation and cutting reoffending rates, isn’t it?" If they're not released that's not an issue. They need to be kept occupied - in order to avoid rioting - but luxuries? No!

I said (I think on the Natalie Connolly thread) about my brother (police) saying to me it's frequently the same offenders especially with sexually motivated crimes. It's a waste of money releasing them, they reoffend very quickly, the crime is investigated, the victim has to get physical & mental health treatment, cps has to prosecute, they're convicted, back in prison again... Cheaper to keep them in and prevents new victims being created.

"The issue is that because of overcrowding, dangerous Prisoners are being put into Cat C open prisons, against the advice of psychiatrists." The answer to that ISN'T to release or "downgrade" dangerous convicts but to release and downgrade the non violent ones and apply other sentencing types to them. With the tech available now they can easily be monitored and restricted in where they can go.

I'm firmly of the belief certain types of criminals can't be rehabilitated and many experts agree. Rapists, murderers and paedophiles mainly.

"The Guildford Four may not have laid the Guildford bomb; but they had sympathy with those who did lay it; and they had sympathy with the aims of those who did lay it" and fitting them up for a crime they DIDN'T commit is going to make them feel kinder towards unionists?! Thoughts & feelings aren't yet crimes! And if you think it was only republicans doing bombings etc you're deluded!

Sonneedshelp · 10/01/2019 07:16

Bumblebean I agree with you. Far to many people on this thread care about the perpetrator. It sickens me and makes me worried about what they get up to or would like to get up to in real life

Is this saying that people who don't agree with the death are likely to not lead a crime free decent life?

brizzledrizzle · 10/01/2019 08:18

A grieving mother who lost two baby DS's to SIDS was imprisoned for murder. Some of you would have been happy to see her hanged.

Grieving doesn't mean you are exempt from the law.

LowbrowVictoriana · 10/01/2019 08:23

Grieving doesn't mean you are exempt from the law

Did you read properly? She lost the babies to SIDS, i.e. she didn't murder them. Hmm

brizzledrizzle · 10/01/2019 08:36

Did you read properly? She lost the babies to SIDS, i.e. she didn't murder them. hmm

Yes. I read it properly. She was imprisoned for a crime, if she was later found innocent (I assume she was from your post, I don't know) then obviously the death penalty would have been unforgiveable (it is anyway) but the point I was making was that people who are not innocent can't use grief as a reason not to face the law.

Helmetbymidnight · 10/01/2019 08:38
Confused
StreetwiseHercules · 10/01/2019 08:40

“Yes. I read it properly. She was imprisoned for a crime, if she was later found innocent (I assume she was from your post, I don't know) then obviously the death penalty would have been unforgiveable (it is anyway) but the point I was making was that people who are not innocent can't use grief as a reason not to face the law.“

WTF?

LowbrowVictoriana · 10/01/2019 08:43

SIDS is "sudden infant death syndrome" or what used to be called "cot death".
This woman had committed no crime, but was convicted of murder. She'd possibly have had a death penalty if it existed. But she she was, in fact, innocent.
Grief has nothing to do with justice, you're right, but the point was she was innocent and had already suffered terribly but could have been sentenced to death.

longwayoff · 10/01/2019 08:54

Absolutely not. 1 murder and 1 serious attack, for which other people were found guilty, are likely to to be his handiwork. Presumably t here are many other crimes not yet come to light. Hopefully evidence will appear to prove him guilty. He has ruined many lives and will be locked up forever I hope.

BlancheM · 10/01/2019 08:55

Brizzle why are you talking about the Sally Clark case when you know nothing about it? Your point doesn't stand. PP was correct in what she said, she was pointing out that it was a miscarriage of justice.