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Mother of the groom .. wedding seating plan

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Watershipdrown · 07/01/2019 21:47

Sorry but this may turn into an essay as I don’t want to drip feed.
Ds is getting married in 3 months time and was discussing the seating plan with his ds asking where she would like to sit etc. It came out that I am apparently sitting on the top table with exh next to me, as parents of the groom. Exh and I have been divorced for 23 years and I have been remarried to a wonderful man for 20 years. I haven’t spoken to exh in probably 15 years after police involvement for harassing me and making threats. My dh raised my 3 children as his own and we also have a son together. He has always treated the children as if they were his own, providing everything that they needed and wanted, while exh couldn’t even be bothered to keep up contact with them, despite living 20 mins drive away from us. Exh did not contribute anything in terms of maintenance for them, he did not turn up for visits and at one point told my dh to legally adopt them so that he would not be responsible for any money that they might need, all the while demanding a say in ridiculous things such as if they needed a haircut, I was expected to ask permission. Exh was controlling and physically and emotionally abusive and I was honestly relieved that he couldn’t be bothered to keep up contact, however I never tried to stop him, even though I probably should have. He was never threatening to the children but they witnessed some of his dv towards me. There was very little contact until ds was over 18 and could go into a pub and drink alcohol. They have built a shaky relationship now and I’m fine with that.
I am really hurt that dh has been relegated to a table with some other relatives and I really do not want to sit next to my exh at all. Dh is unaware of the seating plan and I can’t bring myself to tell him. I know how much he will be hurt and shocked as they have always had a great relationship.
I have tried to speak to ds about this and explain how uncomfortable this will be, but he’s adamant that it’s traditional and how they (Dil and ds) want it. I have said I would be fine not being on the top table, or exh and his partner being on it and dh and me perhaps at the other end but he will not change the plans. Dd has now fallen out with ds over this and told him just how wrong and incredibly inconsiderate it is to treat dh this way.
I know it’s their wedding and they can do what they like, seat people wherever they want etc. I know how hard it is to seat everyone and please everyone, but I do not want to be seated apart from dh to sit next to a man that made my life a living hell for years. AIBU ?

OP posts:
Gina2012 · 12/01/2019 11:16

WTAF is wrong with you??

And if her son and future dil don't know any of this, their decision is perfectly reasonable and it is their wedding.

There's quite a lot wrong with me, thanks for asking.

It's good to know you care.

Hugs back @Nanny0gg

Nanny0gg · 12/01/2019 11:20

@Gina2012

From the OP (opening post)
He was never threatening to the children but they witnessed some of his dv towards me.

As I said...

Moussemoose · 12/01/2019 11:21

It says in the first post the children " witnessed some of his dv towards me."

The OPs dd has spoken to her brother about it. He has a bloody good idea but just wants it brushed under the carpet because the wedding is more important.

It's shameful to suggest this and to defend it.

Willyoujustbequiet · 12/01/2019 11:22

I can't believe some posters are suggesting she should suck it up and sit next to her abuser.

Im incredulous. Utterly at a loss at the sheer stupidity of some people.

SinitaC · 12/01/2019 12:01

I haven't sat and read all the posts from others but have read yours OP.
I'm disgusted at the people on here suggesting you suck it up. Firstly you and your dh have raised this child so to see your son get married is going to be a very happy occasion for you both so being sat next to your abusive exh is certainly going to ruin your mood.
I don't think you need to even justify your feelings to those on this post that simply have no damn clue what your exh put you through. I'm sorry you had to experience all that and it's nice to see you have a loving dh.
I don't know what to suggest to resolve the situation, if your ds is still adamant after you have spoken with him then I would just ask to be sat next to your dh on one of the other tables instead.

Just a suggestion I never had a top table per say. I had my immediate family and husband's family on a round table next to the top table as it allowed them to all chat to eachother without being limited to just the two people next to eachother. And just husband and I sat at a 'top table'. Which isn't even traditional at all!

Just do what feels comfortable for you as you want to look back on your ds' day with fond memories, not the anxiety you are feeling to be sat next to such a vile man. And to think your son would even dream of doing such a thing is disrespectful, when he wasn't even in his life properly for 14 years!

I also don't blame You for not having said anything to your dh yet. But I think once you've had a chat with your ds you should tell him. He should know why you are behaving the way you are, don't shut him out either as you need his support on this hard day. Even if the seating arrangement gets resolved, you still have to see your exh in the same room around you and your family which will be hard enough as it is.

I really do hope you get the chance to open up to your son and be as honest as you want to be. Yes it's still his biological dad but at the same time he needs to know how he really treated you. And that's between you and your family. Not for the people posting on here as it's simply none of their business!

NoFucksImAQueen · 12/01/2019 12:22

I hope your next talk with him goes better op. I know it's painful but you really do need to tell him about the iron and extent of the abuse, that is just horrific. I'm so sorry you had to go though that and I hope that your son will wake up and put you first

Kikipost · 12/01/2019 12:46

@MadameButterface

Did you actually read what this man has done.

He is a violent psychopath.

Would you want your grandchildren around such a man?

Improve12 · 12/01/2019 12:47

I think if there was domestic violence involved, exh can just sit with FIL. girls together and boys together. their wedding though. I guess you can opt to sit out

Improve12 · 12/01/2019 12:57

going back and reading, you could share this thread with DS or tell him with the assistance of a counsellor. I know its hard to do before a wedding.

MortyVicar · 12/01/2019 15:24

Watershipdrown this may sound crass to begin with, but you say he 'branded' you with the iron. Do you still have the scar? Because if you do, I wouldn't bother with too much talking to DS, just lift your shirt, show him your back, and say calmly 'that's why I won't be sitting next to him'.

DS already knows about the abuse, and that gives him unarguable evidence of how bad it was. You don't need to go into any more detail, or give other examples. And if after that he still insists, I'd be looking at not going. Because his priorities are all wrong.

Scarydinosaurs · 12/01/2019 15:40

I really hope your DS has already thought back over it and decided that you should sit apart, and if not, that when you tell him today, he takes it well.

Iamnobirdandnonetensnaresme · 12/01/2019 16:33

I ‘d say without blackmailing the couple you need to be brutally honest with why you don’t want to be anywhere near your abusive ex. They aren’t children anymore and you don’t and shouldn’t shield
Them from the truth.

It isn’t just one meal it is about appearance- if you sit with him people will assume you have an amicable relationship. It is a slap in the face to the stepdad however you look at it.
The couple sound very shallow wanting the appearance to trump feelings.

It is your life and you don’t have to sit next to your abuser. You are doing them a favour by even being at the wedding with the man to be honest.

BumbleBeee69 · 12/01/2019 16:40

I hope you're okay OP, you're meeting your Son today yes? Flowers

Disfordarkchocolate · 12/01/2019 20:09

@Watershipdrown I hope you're ok, whatever the outcome im sure today will have been exhausting. Take care of yourself.

rosablue · 12/01/2019 21:42

Op next time you discuss this with your son, it might be worth changing the discussion around a bit before jumping straight in with ‘please do not make me sit next to my ex’ - because as some of the answers on this thread have shown, they don’t listen or think about the situation from your point of view and just default to ‘suck it up for a few hours’, which is what it sounds like your ds and dil are thinking - they have seen it work at other weddings where the exes get on amicably and think that’s what they want, and that what they are going to get. They may even naively think that they are helping you, showing you that with time gone past, your ex is not so bad and that you can sit together quite happily and that they will fix it now so that you can both be at all events going forward... who knows? But it might explain why they seem so set on this and creating their happy family dream...

Instead, you need to start the conversation back with what your ds remembers about when his dad lived with you all. And why does he think you split up from him? And why does he think that he didn’t didn’t see a lot of his father growing up?

From what you have said and a bit of extrapolating on my part, chances are that he has normalised it to just being you both arguing, both being unhappy, and his dad being useless with money and younger kids so stayed out of the picture... in which case you have done amazingly well in ensuring your ds has not been affected but unfortunately that has now led to these problems.

I would then change topic to domestic violence/abuse, coercive control and financial abuse in a marriage, and what they understand it to be, different levels, difficulties in getting away, when do you leave, what level is acceptable (I know, their immediate reaction should be it’s not acceptable at all, but you need to get them to make this judgement themselves rather than telling them so that it is their own brain that is working this out rather than just being passive listeners if that makes sense). List out a whole load of things from being slapped and punched, through the nightmare of things that he did to you and on to ‘accidental’ attempted murder (which category I would put the hair fire and iron branding into as a rational person knows they are horrendous dangerous terrible things to do to people but I guess an abuser would try to minimise), actual attempted murder (strangling, hitting, punching, kicking etc repeatedly that are so bad the victim is lucky to be alive and that the abuser can’t wiggle out of with an ‘oops my foot accidentally slipped and kicked them 23 times’) and of course ending up in murder.

Then talk about survivors of this sort of abuse, how it can affect the rest of their lives, PTSD, how bad does the abuse have to be or have gone on for for people to suffer through time as a result, hopefully they will again work out the answer for themselves that even low level abuse can affect people for life. Don’t mention what your ex did yet - you want them to be thinking that low level abuse is bad.

Then on to is it reasonable to expect the victim to have to deal with their abuser again - and if so - when? Where? How? Time elapsed? Proximity? and so on... Again hopefully they will say no contact or will at least realise that for even low level abuse the victim shouldn’t have to come into close contact with their abuser and if they do end up at the same event they should be kept apart.

Only once they have fully comprehended and understood the general situation, that’s when you can finally say that the reason you wanted to discuss this with them is because you wanted to let them know that in the past you wanted to protect ds as he was small but now he needs to know why you no longer have anything to do with your ex - and that while ds might think of him as dad, you can only think of him as your abuser, and explain what he did and how it has left you.

From here on in, try to make sure that you only ever call him your abuser (or psychopathic nightmare or similar) never call him his name or ‘your father/dad’ or your ex - don’t give him the dignity of a name that sounds normal that they can like and use to normalise him again.

Hopefully it now won’t you need to spell it out to them that just moments before they had agreed that victims of even low level abuse should have minimal if any contact with their abusers, as you are the victim of severe domestic abuse and violence, then surely they can understand why you don’t want to sit next to your abuser. And that obviously while you would prefer never to see him again you understand that he is ds’s father so if he does want him there then all you are asking is that you don’t have to sit next to him but next to dh, who has been your rock over the last 20 years.

Hopefully this way they will understand and not want your abuser there at all but as a minimum will keep you well apart

rosablue · 12/01/2019 21:50

The other thing is that was you abuser ever charged for all the horrendous things he did?

Could you report him to the police now? There often seem to be reports of these things being reported after many years. If you reported him and he was charged maybe they could impose something on him to stop him coming close to you?

bluehaze · 13/01/2019 03:48

OP it must have been really hard to have that talk. I really hope you are OK and that knowledge will help shift your sons thinking.

anappleadaykeeps · 13/01/2019 12:04

Hope it went ok

Veterinari · 13/01/2019 19:48

Hope that you found a positive resolution @Watershipdrown

Watershipdrown · 13/01/2019 21:41

Thank you everyone and sorry I haven’t updated sooner but it has been quite an emotional time for us all.
I did not have to go into great detail at all, I think ds could see how upset and shaken by the idea of sitting next to exh had left me and absolutely has said that the seating plan will change. Dil’s parents had wanted to sit together, so that is why it was arranged that way. I’m not sure how it will be arranged, but I will be sat next to dh, whether that is at the top table or whether they don’t have a top table at all. Dil wasn’t with us so he will talk with her. I truly appreciate all the support I’ve had.
If I could go back in time, perhaps I wouldnt have shielded the children quite as much, but they never really asked any questions so I didn’t know how to raise it when they were little, other than drilling into them about respect, love and kindness and showing them, with dh how relationships should be.

OP posts:
ThanosSavedMe · 13/01/2019 21:43

I’m pleased your ds saw sense

Moussemoose · 13/01/2019 21:44

Good news

ThisWayDown · 13/01/2019 21:48

Oh excellent news Flowers I hope your DIL is understanding and reasonable about the change. Good on your DS.

elvis86 · 13/01/2019 21:53

Really glad it went well, OP.

Sounds like they had intended to do the (proper) traditional seating plan, and varied it due to a request from DIL's parents. Hopefully DIL will be as reasonable in accomodating your request.

RagingWhoreBag · 13/01/2019 21:54

Im glad to hear they’re sorting it out now. Such a shame that you’ve had to suffer through all this angst to get there.

Can’t believe his future in-laws are so desperate to sit next to each other that they railroad everyone into sitting you next to your arsehole ex instead of your own DH. Startling lack of empathy on their part even without the history of abuse.

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