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Would you pay back this 10k?

507 replies

cantchooseyourfamily · 06/01/2019 04:25

I'm looking for some advice, I was really ill over the last few years and managed to get treatment overseas that cost almost £50,000. The treatment was somewhat experimental at the time but is now available on the NHS, however I couldn't afford to wait and see if it would start being offered on the NHS so we made the decision that we would pay and I would go abroad for it.

Before I went for the treatment I wasn't sure about going, was worried about leaving my children and was also worried because I was about £10,000 short with being able to pay for it. DH and I have good jobs and are very lucky, we would have been able to get hold of the last 10k within a few months and were prepared to wait until we had it before I went ahead.

However, my mother offered to give me the remaining money and was insistent it was a gift, I asked several times over the following months if I should pay it back and she was insistent that it was fine, it was a gift, she wanted to help, etc. At that point we had the 10k and could have given it back, no issue.

Not that it necessarily matters but she's fairly well off with different companies and a few properties. This all happened over a year ago, I've moved on, am doing well health wise and have not thought about the money much, other than to feel grateful. Now out of nowhere she has messaged saying she's having business problems and wants the money back. I'm so upset, I hadn't factored this in, have my own stuff going on have made investments and purchases this year that I would not have done had I thought this was a loan rather than a gift. If I don't give it to her the family fall out will be huge, with my sister's and mother likely disowning me. On the other hand I think it's a rubbish way to treat me. There's so much more to the backstory but I wasn't raised by my mum and had very little to do with her until I was in my 20's, didn't meet my sister's until they were older and so on. I'm quite sure this would be the end of our fragile relationship but don't know if it might be for the best anyway. I couldn't imagine gifting my children a house deposit or sum of money to help with there wedding or medical treatment and then asking for it back a year later.

I'm very upset and wondering if I should just pay it back or not?

I also can't help remembering times over the last few years when she has paid for very expensive holidays and bought cars and things for her other children, none of which bothered me at the time, I didn't need anything from her and am a bit older. I can't help thinking she won't be asking for those gifts back from her other children and it's just another way in which I'm treated very differently.

OP posts:
AnotherEmma · 06/01/2019 14:08

It's not "lying around" FFS

"the investment I've made in my business was through a loan and the cash we have saved is to repay that loan."

As I've already said, the OP should repay her business loan first, then give money to her mother if she wants to and if she can afford it.

Juells · 06/01/2019 14:10

Also ignore the plaster saints in this thread saying they would pay back the money I guarantee they would not.

Great expression! Haven't heard it before, but it's now been committed to memory and will be trotted out when required.

Motoko · 06/01/2019 14:20

So much for families ...

Did you miss the bit where OP wasn't raised by this woman who calls herself "Mother"?

OP wasn't considered "family" when it didn't suit this woman, and by her actions now, she's still not considered as family.

Peachesandcream30 · 06/01/2019 14:20

I wouldn't

RCohle · 06/01/2019 14:21

I can see how hurtful this would be OP.

I would agree to pay her back, but only in small instalments. That way you have the moral high ground of paying back the money but in such a manner that it's likely to be of little practical help to her. Obviously I wouldn't be suggesting this if she was actually in "house losing" need of the money.

Lordamighty · 06/01/2019 14:30

I had something similar happen to me, although I did request the money in the first place. I wanted a short term loan but then my DM insisted that it was a gift & she didn’t want it back. It was a complicated situation & morally could have been argued that I was entitled to keep it as she only had it in part due to me. However as the years went by she kept mentioning the money but still insisting that she didn’t want it back. As she got older she mentioned it more & more so I just paid the money, plus interest, back into her account without telling her, until the next time she brought it up.
You should pay the money back.

EmeraldShamrock · 06/01/2019 14:40

A gift is a gift. The OP was told it was a gift.
If this was anything other than money it would be ridiculous to request a gift back.

Lollypop701 · 06/01/2019 14:50

I would pay it back if I could, as soon as is practical but only in a way that did not cause financial stress. The final payment would be by cheque with a note telling her that you have repaid her gift, and your gift to yourself is to close contact with her. because you deserve better treatment that she is giving you. She could have come to you, explained her finances and asked for help, that’s what families do. They do not ask for a gift back.

CemetaryGates · 06/01/2019 15:31

I would suggest the same as @RCohle

"I would agree to pay her back, but only in small instalments. That way you have the moral high ground of paying back the money but in such a manner that it's likely to be of little practical help to her. "

lljkk · 06/01/2019 15:52

Can't OP refuse to 'pay back' & ask to be disinherited & have NC instead? Seems like a simplest solution.

Howhot · 06/01/2019 16:22

I would absolutely give her the 10k. She gave you for 10K when you desperately needed it. Now she needs 10k..I'd be doing everything I could to make it happen and repay her.

CheshireChat · 06/01/2019 16:38

But the OP didn't desperately need the OP, she would've simply delayed the treatment a bit rather than cancel it so her mom isn't really the knight in shining armour here.

CheshireChat · 06/01/2019 16:39

The OP didn't need the money obviously.

Calvinsmam · 06/01/2019 16:40

Also she’s not a normal mum. It seems like she hasn’t been there at all for OP and the only motherly thing she’s ever done for her she’s wanting back.

Screw her OP, don’t give her a single penny.

cantchooseyourfamily · 06/01/2019 16:42

Cheshire that's very true, I would have had the treatment a few months later when we had the rest of the money together. Delaying the treatment wasn't a huge issue, most people who have it done fund raise and can take a few years to get the money together. It was definitely a case of sooner rather than later but a couple of months was not an issue.

OP posts:
longwayoff · 06/01/2019 16:45

Hang on miss entitled. You were ill. She paid to help you. Now she needs help. Refuse to pay by all means but you'd better hope neither you nor anyone else in your family gets ill in the future. You could be out of luck.

longwayoff · 06/01/2019 16:51

Scroungers eh? Benefit scroungers BAD. Family scroungers GOOD according to many on here. Pay the woman back.

ashtrayheart · 06/01/2019 16:54

I think I would reluctantly pay it back, purely because you are then wiped clear of any future issues/resentment her end when your business becomes more successful etc
I like a PP suggestion regarding a letter and cheque though.
I could completely understand you going NC and not paying though, totally within your rights.

Calvinsmam · 06/01/2019 16:54

Scroungers eh? Benefit scroungers BAD. Family scroungers GOOD according to many on here. Pay the woman back.

Do you think that every gift given is actually a loan that still belongs to the giver?

Woodward12 · 06/01/2019 16:54

Maybe you would have felt differently if your mum had been more straight forward and honest and said that she needed a loan/gift from you, and would you be in a position to help her. Rather than linking it back to a gift she gave you in previous years to add a slice of guilt/obligation. You don't pay back a gift, why on earth would she expect you to still have it? A loan is not a gift.

I'd potentially give her money (not 'pay it back', it wasn't a loan) but in instalments that were manageable, and probably keep my distance from her in the future. It doesn't sound like she's very good for your mental health.

Juells · 06/01/2019 16:59

longwayoff
Scroungers eh? Benefit scroungers BAD. Family scroungers GOOD according to many on here. Pay the woman back.

You missed the bit where it was a gift?

When I was little we had a rhyme:
Give a thing and take it back
God will ask you why is that
If you answer I don't know
God will send you down below. 😂

Bouledeneige · 06/01/2019 17:00

I think your Mum did a kind thing and gave you the money which meant you could expedite your treatment. Yes, she said it was a gift.

But now she needs your help and you want to refuse on a principle even though you have the money? Sure she might have properties and a business but that might be quite illiquid - and she has a cash flow problem at the moment.

If I was weighing up loving someone who's in an hour of need v. a principle 'she said it was a gift' I know which I'd do. Kindness counts.

But then maybe with the fraught history involved you don't love her.

Guineapiglet345 · 06/01/2019 17:00

There are some people on here that clearly don't understand toxic relationships and seem to struggle with reading comprehension.

I’d completely agree with this, the OP has said that this woman didn’t raise her and treats her siblings much better than her, it was a gift and the OP made financial commitments based on the fact that it was a gift and not a loan, paying it back will put her in a worse position than if she hadn’t taken the money at all. If it was £100 then I can see the point of saying take the high ground and pay it back but £10k is too much money to let go for a principle.

Calvinsmam · 06/01/2019 17:03

ut then maybe with the fraught history involved you don't love her.

Are you the OP’s mum? Because that is some classic emotional manipulation right there.

I don’t get the impression that the OP doesn’t love her mum at all, more that she feels abandoned and unloved by a woman who’s supposed to be her mother.

Calvinsmam · 06/01/2019 17:04

There are some people on here that clearly don't understand toxic relationships and seem to struggle with reading comprehension.

I’d completely agree with this, the OP has said that this woman didn’t raise her and treats her siblings much better than her, it was a gift and the OP made financial commitments based on the fact that it was a gift and not a loan, paying it back will put her in a worse position than if she hadn’t taken the money at all. If it was £100 then I can see the point of saying take the high ground and pay it back but £10k is too much money to let go for a principle.

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