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Would you pay back this 10k?

507 replies

cantchooseyourfamily · 06/01/2019 04:25

I'm looking for some advice, I was really ill over the last few years and managed to get treatment overseas that cost almost £50,000. The treatment was somewhat experimental at the time but is now available on the NHS, however I couldn't afford to wait and see if it would start being offered on the NHS so we made the decision that we would pay and I would go abroad for it.

Before I went for the treatment I wasn't sure about going, was worried about leaving my children and was also worried because I was about £10,000 short with being able to pay for it. DH and I have good jobs and are very lucky, we would have been able to get hold of the last 10k within a few months and were prepared to wait until we had it before I went ahead.

However, my mother offered to give me the remaining money and was insistent it was a gift, I asked several times over the following months if I should pay it back and she was insistent that it was fine, it was a gift, she wanted to help, etc. At that point we had the 10k and could have given it back, no issue.

Not that it necessarily matters but she's fairly well off with different companies and a few properties. This all happened over a year ago, I've moved on, am doing well health wise and have not thought about the money much, other than to feel grateful. Now out of nowhere she has messaged saying she's having business problems and wants the money back. I'm so upset, I hadn't factored this in, have my own stuff going on have made investments and purchases this year that I would not have done had I thought this was a loan rather than a gift. If I don't give it to her the family fall out will be huge, with my sister's and mother likely disowning me. On the other hand I think it's a rubbish way to treat me. There's so much more to the backstory but I wasn't raised by my mum and had very little to do with her until I was in my 20's, didn't meet my sister's until they were older and so on. I'm quite sure this would be the end of our fragile relationship but don't know if it might be for the best anyway. I couldn't imagine gifting my children a house deposit or sum of money to help with there wedding or medical treatment and then asking for it back a year later.

I'm very upset and wondering if I should just pay it back or not?

I also can't help remembering times over the last few years when she has paid for very expensive holidays and bought cars and things for her other children, none of which bothered me at the time, I didn't need anything from her and am a bit older. I can't help thinking she won't be asking for those gifts back from her other children and it's just another way in which I'm treated very differently.

OP posts:
Calvinsmam · 06/01/2019 11:53

She sounds utterly hideous, I am so sorry that this is your mother.

Unfortunately I think it may be time to face the fact you don’t have a normal mother/daughter relationship with her and stop trying to nurture one.

Don’t pay it back, go no contact.

You are her daughter not a bank.

My dad didn’t give me a penny or see me growing up but he did give me some money for rent at university. I saw that money as the least he could do to be honest and if he asked for it back he’d be getting told exactly where to go.

Rudgie47 · 06/01/2019 12:02

I'd pay her it back via bank transfer so theres a record of the transaction then go no contact. I'd tell her I wanted nothing more to do with her.

Tistheseason17 · 06/01/2019 12:03

I would not pay it back - she was explicit that it was a gift on numerous occasions.

Bet she hasn't asked her other children to repay their holiday gifts.

Do NOT feel guilty.

From the sound of it she is not necessarily worth the aggro to have in your life either. I would send a text :

"So sorry, we checked lots of times and you said it was a gift to assist my fundraising for my serious illness which I received treatment for. I do hope you can get this sorted - can my siblings help?"

You shouldn't get aggro from this - she should.

I actually lent my Dad £5K for a new van. He's forgotten he owes me and actually, I don't mind. He needed it and at the time I had the money. Never lend/gift what you cannot afford to lose is the lesson for your "D"M

Bluelady · 06/01/2019 12:07

Just read the entire thread. So, when your mum refused the money back you invested it in your business? Now she needs it to invest in her business, you have the money in a liquid account but are refusing to give it to her?

Try to take all the emotion out of it. You have benefited from her money, not just through it funding medical treatment but also by strengthening your business. She's saved you interest on a loan or credit card by providing cash when you needed it but you won't do the same for her.

Just give her the money which you admit is sitting in your account, OP.

NWQM · 06/01/2019 12:08

I’m very much with Captain and feel for you OP.

Morally I don’t think you have to pay it back but depends on if you a) wouldn’t want to keep the money now, b) can and c) what fall out you want.

I say can because I don’t think you now having to potentially be in debt should be a reasonable option. She may be kicking herself for giving it away but... I am guessing she actually knows you have some capital?

Another thought - not without downsides but all the options do so.... you believe that she needs the money for the business only. So okay you’ve technically got the money. Do you get a share of the business if you buy in?

Obvious downsides is that you have to keep contact but I’d be posing the question.

I would have to at least call her out on it and say how hurt I was. I’d also not be simply handing over x but neither would I be offering an amount per month. I’d have to ask her what’s up and how much she really needs right now. I know you think you know from your sister but I’d honestly not be doing anything unless / until your Mum said. And I’d make sure reply was in writing - text whatever - as there had been a very big misunderstanding when you had accepted the money. You need to be very very clear what she is asking for now - the original money back, the money plus interest.

For me you really could just say no, don’t have it and anyway you were very clear it was a gift.

LordPickle · 06/01/2019 12:10

No, do not pay her back and cut her toxic ass out of your life. It is beyond disgraceful for her to ask you to pay her back now. I don't care what her situation is, she gave you a gift and you don't return gifts.

I know it's hard because she's your mother and you want her to love you but some parents are really just shit people and you are better off without them.

No matter what you do now, it's going to weigh heavily on you so don't pay her back, that way you're not out £10k on top of the heartbreak.

Myimaginaryreindeerhasfleas · 06/01/2019 12:12

These are two quite separate transactions. Do not allow them to be conflated.

She made a gift to be used for a specific purpose, it has gone. End of.

She now needs money herself. Ask her is she asking for a gift or a loan? Has she asked any of the other family members for help? Don’t allow her to bring her gift to you into the equation.

Wordthe · 06/01/2019 12:15

That wasn't an ordinary gift, it was a special kind of gift
a weaponized gift

Dieu · 06/01/2019 12:17

Your mother's circumstances have changed though. Maybe she did genuinely intend it as a gift at that time. And now sees it as the only way out of her current predicament.
I think you need to sit down together and discuss a repayment plan that works for both of you. No way should you have to pay it all back in one though!
Hindsight of course, but knowing what you know about her, it would have been best not to accept her help in the first place. I do understand your reasoning about it being a chance for her to step up though.
I hope you reach some resolve and that your good health continues indefinitely Thanks

W0rriedMum · 06/01/2019 12:18

And anyone with multiple properties can easily raise £10k.
I disagree - houses are very illiquid, cost a lot to sell in fees etc and the market is on the floor.
The mum could have severe cashflow issues, which your sister has alluded to, as a result of over-expansion. Her options are to finance directly via a bank or call in your offer to pay it back. If you've offered several times to repay it, I could see how she thinks you have it.
So I would pay it back.

headinhands · 06/01/2019 12:18

If your relationship was so fragile it was a little unwise to take so much £ off her. Pay it back.

leaveby10 · 06/01/2019 12:18

I'm so sorry this is your mother - I think there are many ways she could have reached out to you and ask for help that would not have left you feeling so hurt - she could have said I know the money I gave you was supposed to be a gift but I'm pretty desperate and I if you possibly can afford it I need it back now because I've got myself into a very difficult situation and I need your help. BUT instead she sends you a very cold message that comes across as very matter of fact.

I'd give her the money - I couldn't stand the thought that she had something over me. I'd explain how I feel, pay up and I'd step back. Money and families are a messy business...

Mummyshark2019 · 06/01/2019 12:19

Guess I would pay her back and then not talk to her. Pretty shitty thing to do to you....

Assburgers · 06/01/2019 12:21

She doesn’t need the money. If she did, she’d ask all her kids for a smaller amount of money, and she’d probably ask for it as a loan.

She sees herself as being ‘in credit’ with you, and now she is claiming the balance of that credit. You are right to be hurt.

Whether or not you pay the money back, this is a bit of a ‘fuck you’. If I were you I’d keep the money tbh.

agedknees · 06/01/2019 12:26

A gift is a gift. As soon as you have given away something, it’s not yours to ask for it back.

However, if you’ve got the money I would pay her back. And never speak to the bitch again.

leaveby10 · 06/01/2019 12:29

Does the OP know if the other siblings have been asked to bail their mother out?

Wordthe · 06/01/2019 12:29

You say that if you don't pay the money back your mother and your sister may disown you

she knows that this is what's at stake and she is trying to provoke you into doing something to justify their disowning you
Think about what you want to happen here, think about what's in your best interests, it's not about the money, the money is being used to manoeuvre and manipulate so that she can have things in her favour

Tistheseason17 · 06/01/2019 12:31

I would ask your DM whether her other children are repaying their gift, too?

Don't forget this - Irrespective of whether you pay it back or not - she is not treating her children equally. Some are more special to her than others. A holiday versus life improving treatment? If she needed it that badly she'd ask EACH child for some cash and not just go to you.

SimplyPut · 06/01/2019 12:37

I would assume as your mother/ daughter relationship is already so poor that she won't know much about your investment or financial situation?

I would suggest a repayment plan but not a 10k lump sum. Sadly this woman will never live up to being the mother you deserve. No one who loved and cared for you would add stress knowing you have undergone such treatment and the affect stress can have on the condition I assume you have. She is clawing back her investment in your health.

AnotherEmma · 06/01/2019 12:38

"Aside from this money I've had next to nothing in support, either emotionally or financially through my life. It feels like one of the only times she has done something for me is being taken away and I'm pretty gutted about that."

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bobstersmum · 06/01/2019 12:40

I am sorry but she sounds bloody awful, I would not pay it back, she gave it as a gift. She's a cf!

dustarr73 · 06/01/2019 12:41

Op i really feel for you.I dont think you owe her the 10k,but to me she has shown her true colours.
And for 10k i would pay her back and go nc..You dont need her,she has proven she cant be trusted.So look after your own family.

But pay the 10k back just so you can close the door on it and not have it hanging over your head.

leghoul · 06/01/2019 12:41

I would pay it back in stages as you don't have it immediately available. I'd also remind her that it was a gift for your health needs and that she has not supported you in the past in any way, but would still pay it back, at a rate you can afford, so that it's not hanging over you personally into the future as you do not need stress.

nakedscientist · 06/01/2019 12:54

OP this sounds like a very complex situation. From what you have said I would be tempted to say that you considered the money a gift and in these circumstances, you are also prepared to offer her a similar gift. This changes the dynamics of the exchange giving you the upper hand.

Coronapop · 06/01/2019 13:00

If you have anything in writing that says it was a gift (eg email or test) I would forward that to her saying that it was a gift and therefore not to be repaid. Then repeat as often as necessary, without getting sidetracked by her replies.
Personally I would avoid speaking to her to avoid the hassle of an argument.