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Would you pay back this 10k?

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cantchooseyourfamily · 06/01/2019 04:25

I'm looking for some advice, I was really ill over the last few years and managed to get treatment overseas that cost almost £50,000. The treatment was somewhat experimental at the time but is now available on the NHS, however I couldn't afford to wait and see if it would start being offered on the NHS so we made the decision that we would pay and I would go abroad for it.

Before I went for the treatment I wasn't sure about going, was worried about leaving my children and was also worried because I was about £10,000 short with being able to pay for it. DH and I have good jobs and are very lucky, we would have been able to get hold of the last 10k within a few months and were prepared to wait until we had it before I went ahead.

However, my mother offered to give me the remaining money and was insistent it was a gift, I asked several times over the following months if I should pay it back and she was insistent that it was fine, it was a gift, she wanted to help, etc. At that point we had the 10k and could have given it back, no issue.

Not that it necessarily matters but she's fairly well off with different companies and a few properties. This all happened over a year ago, I've moved on, am doing well health wise and have not thought about the money much, other than to feel grateful. Now out of nowhere she has messaged saying she's having business problems and wants the money back. I'm so upset, I hadn't factored this in, have my own stuff going on have made investments and purchases this year that I would not have done had I thought this was a loan rather than a gift. If I don't give it to her the family fall out will be huge, with my sister's and mother likely disowning me. On the other hand I think it's a rubbish way to treat me. There's so much more to the backstory but I wasn't raised by my mum and had very little to do with her until I was in my 20's, didn't meet my sister's until they were older and so on. I'm quite sure this would be the end of our fragile relationship but don't know if it might be for the best anyway. I couldn't imagine gifting my children a house deposit or sum of money to help with there wedding or medical treatment and then asking for it back a year later.

I'm very upset and wondering if I should just pay it back or not?

I also can't help remembering times over the last few years when she has paid for very expensive holidays and bought cars and things for her other children, none of which bothered me at the time, I didn't need anything from her and am a bit older. I can't help thinking she won't be asking for those gifts back from her other children and it's just another way in which I'm treated very differently.

OP posts:
CaptainMarvelDanvers · 06/01/2019 10:58

I don’t think the OP owes her mum and I think technically she is 100% in the right.

But if I was in her position I would try and cut my losses and give her the £10k. I wouldn’t want anyone thinking they have a stick to beat me with.

At least now the OP knows where she stands, it’s an expensive lesson to learn but it will possibly save herself future hurt.

PurpleHairGreenEarrings · 06/01/2019 10:58

Please try not to stress about it. Stress can make old damage flair up. Your health comes first.

StillMe1 · 06/01/2019 10:59

In short, when you were in difficulties your Mother gave you the money you needed without hesitation. Now that your Mother is in need of the money she lent/gave to you, you are not happy with this.
Then the calls to go NC start.
Can't you see how double sided that is?

southeastdweller · 06/01/2019 10:59

If she pays it back or if she doesn't, it'll play on OP's mind because of how the mum has been to her, not just because of this but because of all that's happened before. I don't think you can ever really get over these feelings of being badly hurt time and time again by the one person in the world who should have your back and support you no matter what.

OP hasn't done anything wrong, which is what you're implying, Anouk.

CaptainMarvelDanvers · 06/01/2019 11:03

StillMe1

In a normal relationship I would say it may be double sided but this isn’t a normal relationship.

I imagine the the gift of the £10k didn’t just signify money to the OP but probably signified that she was one of her mother’s priorities. That her mother had the same feelings for her that she has for her other children, now it probably feels like another form of rejection.

Please correct me if I’m wrong OP.

Shadow1986 · 06/01/2019 11:04

The way I see it - you needed help and now she needs help. Yes she insisted it was a gift but her circumstances appear to have changed since then.
However, I understand you may not have money right away because you weren’t expecting to pay it back.
I would message back and say something like ‘You were very insistent that the money was a gift so we hadn’t factored in having to pay this back so unfortunately I don’t have it all just now. However I can give you XYZ just now until we have more available’

She may think you have £10k just sitting there available but this will let her know that actually you don’t.

cantchooseyourfamily · 06/01/2019 11:05

You are not wrong Captain. That's exactly how it feels.

OP posts:
Ethel36 · 06/01/2019 11:06

I cant believe some posters are suggesting that you pay it back? It's not £100 it's £10,000! Your mother must know that you used it towards a £50,000 treatment. Because you were struggling to find the last £10,000?! So why would she assume that you'd have it spare?

pollyname · 06/01/2019 11:07

OP, I'd pay the money back. Even though it was a meaningful gesture for you to receive the money whether you pay it back or not, she hasn't honoured the one time she supported you. Pay it back in whatever way doesn't cause too much stress to you and your family (you obviously weren't planning to need £10k asap). I wouldn't want the £10k I 'owed' someone hanging over me, but I do think technically you are in the right. Invest and honour the good relationships you have with people, like your DH and his family.

Jenny17 · 06/01/2019 11:10

Your mum needs a business loan to finance a contract. Your mum has options like remortgaging a property, taking out a bridging loan etc.

Please rethink any "gifts" or "presents" in future. From what you have said this is not a healthy relationship.

alwayslearning789 · 06/01/2019 11:11

I hear you OP... Very complex these situations with the emotional blackmail.

For the sake of your own mental health - and this will be used as a stick against you in future if you don't - just give her the money since you have it, and close that particular opening for further abuse right down.

Prioritise your mental health and not money squabbles. It's not worth it.

Sending hugs and hope you manage to move along mentally for the sake of your own nuclear family.

Pringlecat · 06/01/2019 11:11

I hear you, but at this stage in your life, she can't fulfil the mum figure of nurturing and supporting you, OP. That ship sailed many years ago.

The best you can hope for is adults on an equal footing. She gave you £10k when you needed it. If you give her £10k now, you are quits, so to speak. She can't be or feel superior to you.

It sounds like you're upset because you think she should be making up for your shitty childhood somehow and that the original £10k gift was some small gesture to make up for all of that. But the truth is, she could gift you all the money in the world and it wouldn't change the past.

If you can't draw a line under what she did to you as a child and aim for an equal relationship between two adults now, regardless of what you do about this £10k, I'm not sure staying in contact with her will enhance your life.

You don't have to forgive her for being a shit mum. I don't think anyone can judge whether it's the right thing to do if they haven't lived through your childhood. But if you can't forgive her, why are you involving her in your otherwise happy life?

Babymamamama · 06/01/2019 11:17

You state that you and your partner have good jobs/are very fortunate and have investments. Therefore disinvest some money and pay your mother back. Actually you should have paid it back earlier instead of investing in other things.

CaptainMarvelDanvers · 06/01/2019 11:17

cantchooseyourfamily

Dysfunctional parents suck Flowers

I agree with a PP, focus on the good relationships in your life.

CaptainMarvelDanvers · 06/01/2019 11:22

Babymamama

It was a gift which she was told that she didn’t have to pay back. After every present you are given do you go out of your way to pay back the monetary value as soon as possible?

She should give the money back, not because she’s in the wrong but because it’s not worth the emotional stick beating that will probably happen if she doesn’t.

EmeraldShamrock · 06/01/2019 11:22

Actually OP with your updates and the reason she needs the money. Take back control and say NO it was a gift. If she persists it was a loan tell her you are phoning Judge Rinder Grin
It sounds like your DM really hurt you. I can see why you thought the money was to build a bridge and now she tore it down for her needs again.
Think of the 10k as the least you deserve.

Confusedbeetle · 06/01/2019 11:24

Pay it back

altiara · 06/01/2019 11:28

Whether you pay it back or not, your mum has asked for it and made you feel not loved and valued, it’s not really going to change whether you give her the money back or not.
I’d use some of the pp messages that mentioned it was a gift, moneys spent now on the treatment etc. I’d also say I couldn’t give her the money back immediately as you’re paying off loans (am sure you said you got a loan to expand your business).
I probably would give her some of the money, but in my own time and without jeopardising my own financial commitments. So stretching myself to do it but not over stretching.

crispysausagerolls · 06/01/2019 11:33

It feels like one of the only times she has done something for me is being taken away and I'm pretty gutted about that.

Hugs OP xx

BogstandardBelle · 06/01/2019 11:37

Oh OP, that’s a hard one. I think Captain is spot on: the money is almost irrelevant, it’s the relationship between you and your mother that is the important thing.

Where do you want the relationship to go? You can’t control what your mother does or how she feels about you, but you can decide how much you want to expose yourself to the pain that her actions cause.

Miggeldy · 06/01/2019 11:38

That's really horrible of her.
Pay her back the money and then go nc.

Yulebealrite · 06/01/2019 11:40

You shouldn't have to pay it back legally. Morally you shouldn't have to either. The only reason to pay it back is because of the repercussions to your family relationship. And only you can decide that as you are the one going to live with those consequences.

AWishForWingsThatWork · 06/01/2019 11:40

It was a gift, a medical life saving-gift for her oldest child who has received nothing else from her mother over the years. She didn't even raise you.

I also can't help remembering times over the last few years when she has paid for very expensive holidays and bought cars and things for her other children, none of which bothered me at the time, I didn't need anything from her and am a bit older. I can't help thinking she won't be asking for those gifts back from her other children and it's just another way in which I'm treated very differently.

Surely the children she's raised and actually mothers should be clubbing together to find the money to finance their mother's latest business contract (based on recent update). Not the child who was gifted some money for a life changing medical treatment. And repeatedly told it was a gift.

I would remind her the money was a gift, what it was spent on, and that perhaps she needs to talk to her other children she's been throwing money at for years.

And go NC with the lot of them if they become abusive.

AWishForWingsThatWork · 06/01/2019 11:41

And I would tell her this, too. It feels like one of the only times she has done something for me is being taken away and I'm pretty gutted about that.

Lkbbdg · 06/01/2019 11:43

I would do my best to help, she's your mother.