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Would you pay back this 10k?

507 replies

cantchooseyourfamily · 06/01/2019 04:25

I'm looking for some advice, I was really ill over the last few years and managed to get treatment overseas that cost almost £50,000. The treatment was somewhat experimental at the time but is now available on the NHS, however I couldn't afford to wait and see if it would start being offered on the NHS so we made the decision that we would pay and I would go abroad for it.

Before I went for the treatment I wasn't sure about going, was worried about leaving my children and was also worried because I was about £10,000 short with being able to pay for it. DH and I have good jobs and are very lucky, we would have been able to get hold of the last 10k within a few months and were prepared to wait until we had it before I went ahead.

However, my mother offered to give me the remaining money and was insistent it was a gift, I asked several times over the following months if I should pay it back and she was insistent that it was fine, it was a gift, she wanted to help, etc. At that point we had the 10k and could have given it back, no issue.

Not that it necessarily matters but she's fairly well off with different companies and a few properties. This all happened over a year ago, I've moved on, am doing well health wise and have not thought about the money much, other than to feel grateful. Now out of nowhere she has messaged saying she's having business problems and wants the money back. I'm so upset, I hadn't factored this in, have my own stuff going on have made investments and purchases this year that I would not have done had I thought this was a loan rather than a gift. If I don't give it to her the family fall out will be huge, with my sister's and mother likely disowning me. On the other hand I think it's a rubbish way to treat me. There's so much more to the backstory but I wasn't raised by my mum and had very little to do with her until I was in my 20's, didn't meet my sister's until they were older and so on. I'm quite sure this would be the end of our fragile relationship but don't know if it might be for the best anyway. I couldn't imagine gifting my children a house deposit or sum of money to help with there wedding or medical treatment and then asking for it back a year later.

I'm very upset and wondering if I should just pay it back or not?

I also can't help remembering times over the last few years when she has paid for very expensive holidays and bought cars and things for her other children, none of which bothered me at the time, I didn't need anything from her and am a bit older. I can't help thinking she won't be asking for those gifts back from her other children and it's just another way in which I'm treated very differently.

OP posts:
acegod · 07/01/2019 19:08

To be honest any money that is not yours should be paid back. A lot of ppl now days just take what's not theirs and stuff like this happens. Which breaks relationships and makes your life more poor that it needs too. You set your self up. Anyone who takes money which is not yours in the first place always gets hardships.

wouldlikesomehelp · 07/01/2019 19:13

She helped you when you needed it.

EmeraldShamrock · 07/01/2019 19:15

gamerwidow You are very kind Flowers

OP I was following your thread at the start. I am raging you sent a text to organise payments in instalments, I can't understand pps saying it was not your money, surely a gift belongs to the recipients.
What your DM has done is awful? If it was for medical reasons I would say lend it to her but it is not Flowers
Whatever happens I would leave this relationship behind, she will never prioritise her DD over her ventures.

Myheartbelongsto · 07/01/2019 19:16

Your mother didn't hesitate to help you when you needed it.

Give the money back.

Mrsmadevans · 07/01/2019 19:18

OP l don't think l would pay it asap, l would pay it as and when l could afford it . I would also be very reluctant to do so . I think you need to think about going very LC or even NC . I am so sorry you have to put up with this BS. Glad you are ok now too m'dear.

EmeraldShamrock · 07/01/2019 19:19

The OP mother abandoned her as a child, from that I guess there was many a time her DM wasn't around to help, when she finally steps up as a DM she changed her mind.
The OP didn t ask for help.

TatianaLarina · 07/01/2019 19:20

I would pay it in instalments and write her off.

bridgetreilly · 07/01/2019 19:21

This is one where people really need to start RTFT.

HeronLanyon · 07/01/2019 19:24

For me that’s at the heart of it emerald - op has said she didn’t ask and didn’t need andnyet took the gift. For me that is meaningful. It’s that that I don’t understand but having happened I can’t see that thenop can accept a gift and then walk away when asked for help (if the need is real and if it is explained properly to op). The reality is we are all worrying about a gift that wasn’t needed (op said she could raise it herself) and a request for help which can be met (op has said she can do it). Hmmmm.

WellBHoise · 07/01/2019 19:27

I think whatever happens it sounds like sadly your relationship is over and you’ll be going NC with her after this. Concentrate on your DH and your own lovely little family.

TatianaLarina · 07/01/2019 19:28

I have thanks.

Chocolate50 · 07/01/2019 19:30

No I don't think its fair to ask for the money back whatever her reason, a gift is a gift. Tell her if you had the money to gift her in the same way she did you would give it to her but you aren't in the position to be able to.

goodomens830 · 07/01/2019 19:33

She helped you when you needed it. Now she needs help. It's a no brainer. Why wouldn't you want to help your mother? Family is more important than money.

AnotherEmma · 07/01/2019 19:34

So many of these stupid posts all saying the same stupid thing

OrigamiZoo · 07/01/2019 19:34

Big difference between
'gift to help daughter you didn't even raise who you have had a distant relationship with and have treated unfairly compared to siblings to help with health treatment to '
'paying back money you didn't know you had to pay back so haven't set aside to return said 'gift 'to distant mother who didn't raise you, treats you unfairly compared to siblings to cover business expenses'

I would state you did now know it had to be paid back, you had asked for clarification and don't have the money set aside and it might be helpful if she had been clearer on the terms.

Sounds like there is no relationship to sour, SHE doesn't care what you think anyway.

bridgetreilly · 07/01/2019 19:40

Why wouldn't you want to help your mother? Family is more important than money.

RTFT.

leaveby10 · 07/01/2019 19:51

I think the money wasn't hers to give and I think that has only just been realised by her other business partners...and she is up shit creek! Pay her back or don't pay her back...I don't think your relationship will survive this in tact.

Maryjoyce · 07/01/2019 19:52

Do t repay anything as it looks like any relationship is over anyway so I’d block and move on.
Plus a gift is a gift end of

MrsMaker88 · 07/01/2019 19:54

Inertia I was thinking same.. sounds like you’ve been making allowances for her all your life and now she expects you (after managing your money well and even trying to pay the money back when you were able to) to put yourself in a worse position to help her out of a financial situation they have caused.

Even if its due in part to that money that is in no way your fault. You don’t buy someone a new handbag then moan at them for making you overdrawn.

If she genuinely has done so very little for you do you not feel like you deserved a little help for important medical treatment without now having to find it as soon as they demand it.
Sounds like you know it’s wrong OP and you’ve offered a reasonable solution. I think you should just be confident in your decision.

Maryjoyce · 07/01/2019 19:54

Don’t

NameWithChange · 07/01/2019 20:00

@cantchooseyourfamily This is not on you. Please don't feel guilty. She obviously has other things going on in her life and getting that cash back from you was a short term fix (in her eyes) I wonder if she is asking other siblings to sell cars etc and contribute their part to her problems?

You have been very reasonable to offer to pay back her gift in instalments.

If it was me I would re-confirm with accountant/whoever the amount you will be setting up as a monthly payment, ask for bank details do so that. Then step away.

She has behaved appallingly and I really feel for you OP. The damage is done now. Paying it back on your terms - without putting you and your family out - is more than enough to completely clear your conscience and move on.

Don't get drawn into anymore discussions or arguments with any of them. You are paying X from X, end of. Thanks

RandomMess · 07/01/2019 20:09

@cantchooseyourfamily ThanksThanksThanksThanks

There are some similarities between your family set up and mine. I am very careful to not gift what I can't afford and also be mindful of the discrepancy between the eldest and younger ones... Will is evenly split and if I am able to help out the younger ones more then I will compensate the eldest accordingly.

A gift us a gift whether it's £10 or £10k.

Whatever has happened is not on you. Your Mum hasn't come and said she has financial problem could you help her out which would have been so different...

SummerStrong · 07/01/2019 20:11

You told her how upset you are....and her response was she doesn't have the emotional energy for this....what a bitch!

I'd pay it back ASAP (even if it meant getting a loan to do so) and go NC, she is not worth having in your life.

The question is: could you and do you want to salvage any sort of relationship with your siblings?

EmeraldShamrock · 07/01/2019 20:14

Not to derail do pps see RTFT abbreviation as
A. Read the full thread.
B. Read the fucking thread.
I sometimes think B is more fitting.

AnotherEmma · 07/01/2019 20:15

B

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