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Would you pay back this 10k?

507 replies

cantchooseyourfamily · 06/01/2019 04:25

I'm looking for some advice, I was really ill over the last few years and managed to get treatment overseas that cost almost £50,000. The treatment was somewhat experimental at the time but is now available on the NHS, however I couldn't afford to wait and see if it would start being offered on the NHS so we made the decision that we would pay and I would go abroad for it.

Before I went for the treatment I wasn't sure about going, was worried about leaving my children and was also worried because I was about £10,000 short with being able to pay for it. DH and I have good jobs and are very lucky, we would have been able to get hold of the last 10k within a few months and were prepared to wait until we had it before I went ahead.

However, my mother offered to give me the remaining money and was insistent it was a gift, I asked several times over the following months if I should pay it back and she was insistent that it was fine, it was a gift, she wanted to help, etc. At that point we had the 10k and could have given it back, no issue.

Not that it necessarily matters but she's fairly well off with different companies and a few properties. This all happened over a year ago, I've moved on, am doing well health wise and have not thought about the money much, other than to feel grateful. Now out of nowhere she has messaged saying she's having business problems and wants the money back. I'm so upset, I hadn't factored this in, have my own stuff going on have made investments and purchases this year that I would not have done had I thought this was a loan rather than a gift. If I don't give it to her the family fall out will be huge, with my sister's and mother likely disowning me. On the other hand I think it's a rubbish way to treat me. There's so much more to the backstory but I wasn't raised by my mum and had very little to do with her until I was in my 20's, didn't meet my sister's until they were older and so on. I'm quite sure this would be the end of our fragile relationship but don't know if it might be for the best anyway. I couldn't imagine gifting my children a house deposit or sum of money to help with there wedding or medical treatment and then asking for it back a year later.

I'm very upset and wondering if I should just pay it back or not?

I also can't help remembering times over the last few years when she has paid for very expensive holidays and bought cars and things for her other children, none of which bothered me at the time, I didn't need anything from her and am a bit older. I can't help thinking she won't be asking for those gifts back from her other children and it's just another way in which I'm treated very differently.

OP posts:
Calvinsmam · 07/01/2019 11:22

I suspect your mother has taken the money from the business account and her husband and your sister found out about it and now want it back

Oh this sounds likely!
I don’t think you’re actually allowed to just give relatives big sums of money from your business without withdrawing it first as a dividend to pay personal tax on it. At which point it’s not business money anymore.

cantchooseyourfamily · 07/01/2019 11:34

They definitely knew, I thanked them for it.

Her husband and everyone involved in the business knew about it.

OP posts:
Wordthe · 07/01/2019 11:38

So this is about publicly humiliating you by treating you dismissively and unfairly

SuziQ10 · 07/01/2019 11:46

Call her. Speak to her about this properly, not via emails / messages.

Clarify that she gave you some money towards your medical treatment as a gift. You had offered to pay it back but she made clear this was a gift. You are confused as it was continuously made clear that no repayment was necessary.

((To be honest, if my child was seriously unwell and needed urgent treatment I would have found the full £50k not £10k))

If she is having money troubles you may be able to help her although not such a vast sum immediately.

SharedLife · 07/01/2019 11:58

OP sorry you are going through this.
Can I ask, is there a reason you wouldn't go no contact with your mother? Obvious you've only given us a small picture of your relationship but I'm struggling to see why you would want contact with her.

Canibuildasnowman · 07/01/2019 12:01

Pay it back it back in a payment plan if you can’t pay all at once. Or get a loan and pay it. But yes, you should give her the money back.

Canibuildasnowman · 07/01/2019 12:02

Speak to her. Ignore the drama llamas on here demanding you go NC with your own MOTHER! Monehbis nwver worht losing a relationship for. Never.

Calvinsmam · 07/01/2019 12:07

snowman

Are you reading the same thread as the rest of us?

Calvinsmam · 07/01/2019 12:08

Why should she give the money back, it was a gift.

Would you give your Christmas present back if the giver decided that actually they wanted it now.

2019Dancerz · 07/01/2019 12:11

I think if your mother, of her own volition, did not raise you then she is not really a mother is she - if it were a father who didn’t get involved in your life until your 20s I doubt anyone would tell you to keep the contact going at all costs.

NoraButty · 07/01/2019 12:12

What she said as a reply is awful, so cold!

Given your update, I’d walk away. You’ve got everything to lose and nothing to gain by having anyone like that in your life.

InSightMars · 07/01/2019 12:12

It doesn’t matter how well off she is, what she spends her money on or who she gives stuff to - her money, her choice - so leave that out of it, it weakens your position to say “what about this car and that holiday you bought or the sum you gave to so and so?” What it boils down to is she made a gift of this money to you, that’s all you have to focus on when putting your case for not paying it back. “It was a gift, mum, that’s what you said.”

That said, me, I’d rather not feel obliged to this woman in any way and would go into debt myself to pay her back just to be able to then say goodbye and good riddance. She doesn’t appear to contribute in any positive way to your life and happiness. Either way, pay her or don’t, I don’t see your relationship, such as it is, surviving this. If you don’t pay her back she’s going to resent you, if you do pay her back you’re always going to resent her.

stiffstink · 07/01/2019 12:12

What did you know about the source of the money at the time? I suspect she’s probably been found out for dipping into the company pot and is under pressure to repay it.

Putting that aside, I definitely wouldn’t be committing anything to writing in reply either to her or to the business partners. The payment was a gift made by her to you. There was no loan from the business to you, was there?

DarlingNikita · 07/01/2019 12:14

She has replied saying she doesn't have the emotional energy to deal with this and I will need to deal with her business partners (ie her husband and my sister) as the payment was made from the company.

Well, she doesn't give a rat's ass about you, does she?

prettywhiteguitar · 07/01/2019 12:16

Oh I have a mum like this, she’s a effing bitch. However over the years I have not expected anything better from here which takes the emotional hurt away.

I would not be paying the money back and let them come to you to get the money. Do not contact them, let them ask

Torvi · 07/01/2019 12:18

I'm astounded by the number of posters who just don't seem to get it.

I'd pay it back, OP, and then NC. Your mother sounds toxic SadThanks

howabout · 07/01/2019 12:23

Given you can afford to, pay it back and make a mental note to stay away from family financial entanglements in future.

MarshaBradyo · 07/01/2019 12:25

Pay it back look after your mental health and make healing the priority. I don’t think keeping the money will help you do this will it?

Wordthe · 07/01/2019 12:27

if she can legitimately require you to return a gift then you can also legitimately require her to return any gifts you have given to her
where will it all end?

MarshaBradyo · 07/01/2019 12:27

Just read your update what a cow
Now I’m wondering if you should, after that horribly cold response

Assburgers · 07/01/2019 12:27

I guess the OP’s fear is that, after going NC with her mother, her mother can complain ‘she was only after money’. It’s lose/lose.

Sorry OP, she sounds like a poisonous bitch.

Happilyacceptingcookies · 07/01/2019 12:34

I'd pay it back but I do understand the reasons against that too. It's money from your mum, it helped you. To be fair to her she did say it was a gift but circumstances can obviously change. Seems like that money comes with a lot of ties, I would pay it back so that you are free from any hold she may have on you.

Darkautumn · 07/01/2019 12:35

Just read the whole thread. Am gobsmacked at the behaviour of your mother.

YANBU at all.

NWQM · 07/01/2019 12:45

Your Mum's reply is just awful. If you haven't already I'd be considering taking some real life advice now if you can. You've already offered to pay it back but I think you probably need to be careful what you do next. I think you'll be advised to refuse to discuss this with anyone other than the person that gave you the gift. It's nothing to do with you where she got the money from originally. I'd get some advice and a letter drawn up before paying anything back as paying anything back can give credence to her version that it was a lone.

I really feel for you. You are once again seeing your Mum's true colours as she isn't being open and forthcoming with you. Lots of posters are suggesting going NC but we all get that this can be really, really hard to actual do. Not just emotionally but physically if you have family events coming up etc. It can sometimes just be very impractical. Whatever you decide though do be gentle with yourself and give yourself time to process it all.

AlaskanSnow · 07/01/2019 13:08

The relationship is broken now anyway - she has firmly told you what she thinks of you.
As the outcome is the same whether you keep or repay, I'd keep the money, I wouldn't be putting myself out at all

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