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Would you pay back this 10k?

507 replies

cantchooseyourfamily · 06/01/2019 04:25

I'm looking for some advice, I was really ill over the last few years and managed to get treatment overseas that cost almost £50,000. The treatment was somewhat experimental at the time but is now available on the NHS, however I couldn't afford to wait and see if it would start being offered on the NHS so we made the decision that we would pay and I would go abroad for it.

Before I went for the treatment I wasn't sure about going, was worried about leaving my children and was also worried because I was about £10,000 short with being able to pay for it. DH and I have good jobs and are very lucky, we would have been able to get hold of the last 10k within a few months and were prepared to wait until we had it before I went ahead.

However, my mother offered to give me the remaining money and was insistent it was a gift, I asked several times over the following months if I should pay it back and she was insistent that it was fine, it was a gift, she wanted to help, etc. At that point we had the 10k and could have given it back, no issue.

Not that it necessarily matters but she's fairly well off with different companies and a few properties. This all happened over a year ago, I've moved on, am doing well health wise and have not thought about the money much, other than to feel grateful. Now out of nowhere she has messaged saying she's having business problems and wants the money back. I'm so upset, I hadn't factored this in, have my own stuff going on have made investments and purchases this year that I would not have done had I thought this was a loan rather than a gift. If I don't give it to her the family fall out will be huge, with my sister's and mother likely disowning me. On the other hand I think it's a rubbish way to treat me. There's so much more to the backstory but I wasn't raised by my mum and had very little to do with her until I was in my 20's, didn't meet my sister's until they were older and so on. I'm quite sure this would be the end of our fragile relationship but don't know if it might be for the best anyway. I couldn't imagine gifting my children a house deposit or sum of money to help with there wedding or medical treatment and then asking for it back a year later.

I'm very upset and wondering if I should just pay it back or not?

I also can't help remembering times over the last few years when she has paid for very expensive holidays and bought cars and things for her other children, none of which bothered me at the time, I didn't need anything from her and am a bit older. I can't help thinking she won't be asking for those gifts back from her other children and it's just another way in which I'm treated very differently.

OP posts:
sue51 · 06/01/2019 23:32

You made financial decisions based on her reassurances that she did not want the money back. It is very wrong of her to now renege on her word. If you feel you have to, pay it back in installments at a rate you can afford but I don't feel you are morally obliged to do so.

Grannyannex · 06/01/2019 23:38

I would pay it back but do it over five months as it was unexpected and your cash is tied up.

Gth1234 · 07/01/2019 00:27

If your mum needs it back you should consider it. I am sure you know whether it's the right thing to do.

NoraButty · 07/01/2019 08:15

My mum is very much like that OP. She would absolutely insist on helping both practically and financially (I suspect to be some sort of hero) and then when it was all done and dusted she wanted it paying back.

I have a huge backstory too but in short my mum is very controlling and by being involved like that she 'had the right' to know about my finances, ask intrusive questions and place judgement on what I spent.

I don't see my mum anymore as she went too far (another story) but If I was in your situation, i'd probably pay her back and cool off from the relationship. Only because your mum might come good and if you need to hold onto that hope then paying her back is the only way to find out.

cantchooseyourfamily · 07/01/2019 09:44

Thanks again everyone.

I messaged my mother this morning to say how hurt I am, I confirmed it was a gift on several occasions and was repeatedly told that it was. I told her I no longer have this money, that it was used for it's intended purposes over a year ago and that I was grateful for her assistance at the time.

I said I was upset by the whole thing and whilst I don't think I owe the money (it was clearly a gift) I will pay it to her in instalments.

She has replied saying she doesn't have the emotional energy to deal with this and I will need to deal with her business partners (ie her husband and my sister) as the payment was made from the company.

Now waiting for the messages from the rest of them.

Thanks again and I appreciate all of the support.

OP posts:
Calvinsmam · 07/01/2019 09:48

What a bitch.

Doesn’t have the emotional energy?
Fuck her OP.

How come the payment was made from her business? That sounds dodgy to me.

minipie · 07/01/2019 09:50

It really comes down to whether she actually needs the money or not.

If she does really need it then she probably thinks you’re being pretty unreasonable not to help her out (especially as she knows you have had the money available at various times)

If she doesn’t really need the money then she’s being unreasonable.

How much do you know about her financial position? People can appear well off but actually be skating on pretty thin ice.

sue51 · 07/01/2019 09:52

Her emotional energy! What a selfish woman. If I were you I would seriously consider cutting contact with her.

Calvinsmam · 07/01/2019 09:57

Do you have a written account of her saying it was a gift anywhere?
An email or text???

Peridot1 · 07/01/2019 10:05

At this stage I would pay it back. I would not want it hanging over me. If it has to be in installments so be it but I would want to get it done as soon as I could. I would not want to be beholden to her.

I would then go no or very low contact and if asked why I would reply that I don’t have the emotional energy to deal with it all any more.

Perfectly1mperfect · 07/01/2019 10:07

She has replied saying she doesn't have the emotional energy to deal with this and I will need to deal with her business partners (ie her husband and my sister) as the payment was made from the company.

You don't need to deal with her husband, your sister or her. It doesn't sound like they bring anything positive to your life now or in the past. Just go NC. Don't feel guilty, she doesn't. Get on with your life without this stress in it. I hope your health stays good.

Motoko · 07/01/2019 10:07

@minipie She's not on the breadline. The sister has confirmed they've won a business contract and need 10K for that. They should not have bid for the contract if they didn't have the funds in place.

Stick to your guns OP. When she sends her flying monkeys, reiterate that you can only pay in instalments, because you weren't expecting to have to pay it back, as it was a gift.

And then, step back from them all. I'm sorry that she was never a mother to you, and she never will be. You need to protect yourself from future emotional harm.

Nevertellasole · 07/01/2019 10:08

What a shellfish woman.
You have done the right thing.
This woman is only going to drain you emotionally.

Pay the money back (in installments £500 per month) & have very little more to do with her.

I am so sorry, this wasn't a gift from the heart. She has taken it back & has little respect and regard for you. What it was doing coming out of the business account I don't know.

Bungleinthejungle · 07/01/2019 10:11

She doesn't have the emotional energy? Wow, manipulative much? She's trying to put the emotional strain of it back onto you. And you're the one that's ill. I'm sure emotional stress is the last thing that you need with your illness.

Stick to your guns OP and don't let her upset you further.

And don't take anything she says at face value again.

minipie · 07/01/2019 10:16

Sorry missed that motoko

Honeyroar · 07/01/2019 10:25

How bloody rude of her.

When they ring be sure to tell them that you're incredibly upset that your mother "doesn't have the emotional energy" to be nice to her elder daughter and that you're feeling pushed out as usual.

And make sure that you pay it back extremely slowly. I would be stepping away from her and anyone that stands up for her from now on - and I didn't think that at the start of the thread.

Wordthe · 07/01/2019 10:26

Doesn't have the emotional energy?
In other words she can't be arsed
How insulting and dismissive

LittleOwl153 · 07/01/2019 10:27

Clearly she is saying to you that you dont have a mother any more than she was your mother when you were growing up. U fortunately you are going to have to deal with that and I hope that you have enough support around you to do that - if not get some help!

In terms of the money I would go with her dealing with it as a business loan. Work out when you/your business can afford to pay it back without screwing things up for you. It is after all interest free (I assume) and as you are under no obligation to pay it back it is perhaps not a priority. It sounds as though you can afford to pay it over time so do so to get it off your back. Set up a standing order from an account you don't look at regularly and forget about it. She has messed with your heart - don't let it screw your finances too.

ForgivenessIsDivine · 07/01/2019 10:35

I am sorry that your mother has reacted in this way. Your mother has never been the mother you would wish to have had or deserve and sadly she is unlikely to change.

You have the power to rise out from under her control and stand alongside your husband and your children and everything you have built together and be separate from this woman who does not deserve your love.

If you need to communicate with her husband and your sister, keep it factual.

Dear Business Partners of Mother
Last year mother gave me £10k towards my medical treatment. She has now told me that it was a payment from the business which now needs to be repaid. I was lead to believe that this amount was a gift that did not need to be repaid but now understand this is not the case. I only say this in explanation as to why I am unable to reply this straight away. However, I understand the business needs these funds and will work out a way to repay this as soon as possible. I commit to the repayment at the latest by the end of April 2019 and wish you all the very best with your latest contracts.
Yours etc

Then get yourself to counselling and disentangle yourself from this emotional nightmare. Your long term physical all and mental health as well as that of your husband and children depends on this! Wishing you the very best.

Jenny17 · 07/01/2019 10:36

You didn't borrow the money from her company your mum claims she did. You didn't borrow the money from her husband and sister so really you shouldn't have to have the emotional energy to deal with this. I really don't think you should be discussing this with anyone other than your mum. It sounds like financial irregularity and you don't want to be named or involved in that.

I rather felt that it was wider family as well as you mum who were trying to claw back this gift. They clearly feel you have 10k like that and I wouldn't be surprised if they are resentful.

Legally your mum didn't have a leg to stand on and you should never have put in writing you will pay back (this sort of acknowledges it was a loan). You are now seemingly dragged into issues that's nothing to do with you. Gift to personal loan to business loan, to wider family matter, well at least now you know where you stand.

RCohle · 07/01/2019 10:51

Reply saying you don't have the emotional energy to speak to her business partners. Or her.

DingDongDenny · 07/01/2019 10:58

I agree with RCohle I'd reply saying this was a gift from her and it is not appropriate for her to expect you to deal with her business partenrs, as it was not a business transaction.

If she wants to leave it until she has the 'emotional energy' to discuss repayment terms with you, then that's fine

mylittlefidget · 07/01/2019 11:10

I suspect your mother has taken the money from the business account and her husband and your sister found out about it and now want it back- she's backed into a corner and doesn't feel she has the emotional energy to deal with this conflict.

ihadasleepintoday · 07/01/2019 11:14

Go nc with them now op. If that's how she's going to speak to you then fuck her. I seriously doubt you actually have the emotional energy to deal with their bullshit for the rest of your life.

2019Dancerz · 07/01/2019 11:18

Pay back a grand a year