To admit I didn't vote in the Brexit Referendum?

[WeAreTheCrystalGems]

I'm one of the 28% who didn't vote. Anyone else?

But it’s how you feel about those facts that matters. That’s the point.

Feelings won't help lorries through customs or comfort people whose prescriptions can't be filled (if these things do indeed happen).

And it's particularly odd going on about "feelings", when a no deal Brexit is basically a scientific experiment on a very large scale, which will, if it happens, give us definitive response to many of the emotive claims made by brexiter and remainers alike.

Tbh this thread has massively increased my sympathy for people who didn't vote. If everyone had stayed at home we wouldn't be in this mess.

Anyone who can't be bothered to vote in any election is not entitled to an opinion on what's done as a result.

Anyone who can't be bothered to vote in any election is not entitled to an opinion on what's done as a result.

Of course they are. In a functioning democracy people are entitled to have opinions regardless of their voting history. They can even change their minds! Fancy that!

no deal Brexit is basically a scientific experiment on a very large scale, which will, if it happens, give us definitive response to many of the emotive claims made by brexiter and remainers alike

The USSR was a large-scale experiment in communism which people still think differently about. Some think it was a worthwhile economic expertiment, others a terrible experience with an unparalleled body count for little gain. People can be faced with the same set of facts and draw different conclusions.

Again, it has everything to do with you as a human being. Your values, social conditioning, religion, age, gender, etc.

Why do you expect Brexit to be any different?

Let's have this completely pointless debate about cultural relativity in 3 months, when the lorries are backing up at Dover (or not as the case may be).

We will have answers to many of our questions at that point, such as whether leading brexiters lied about trade in a no deal scenario.

@Mistigri

There’s never going to be a consensus on Brexit. We’re none of us the same. We want different things. You may vote Tory, I may vote Labour, because we have different values. Why does someone have to be ‘wrong’?

My DH spoilt his ballot because he couldn't make up his mind. Hes now the most animated out of all of us about how terrible its going to be and is busy getting his Irish passport. I was furious about it and it still annoys me now, even though we are in an area that voted remain quite strongly, so it didn't make a difference to the eventual outcome. Its even more irritating because I have 2 law degrees , both of which involved learning quite a lot about the EU, but he didn't think to ask me any questions whatsoever beforehand.

Having lived and worked in the former USSR, I can report that a screwed up food distribution system is genuinely horrible in a daily basis and not improved much by feeling part of a great experiment.

There may never be a consensus on whether the UK should or shouldn't be in the EU. But after 29/3 we will rapidly come to a consensus about who was right about, for example, the impact of non-tariff barriers on post-Brexit UK-EU trade.

There's no relativity possible there: either remainers were right that raising trade barriers will cause disruption to trade, or they were wrong.

There may be an argument about who is to blame, of course (and I think we know what MrsAO thinks - funny how the right are always for other people taking personal responsibility but never them ...).

@Mistigri

I’ll tell you what’s pointless - trying to engage with you on any level whatever.

I can only conclude you know full well you’re wrong in your assertion that every Leave voter was wrong to have voted the way they did, because there’s no objective criteria for having voted wrongly.

Happy trails.

I think we know what MrsAO thinks

You have no idea

Having lived and worked in the former USSR,

That’s interesting bellini. Did you find it hard to keep your critical opinions - if you were critical of the regime, that is - to yourself? I thought people got into trouble in the Soviet Union for voicing dissident views. Certainly they did in the GDR.

@dapplegrey , kept my head down and my mouth shut. I was and still am a UK citizen and made sure I didn't egg people on to say things in front of me that might get them into trouble.
Although the latter part was in Moscow, i spent a lot of time living and working several time zones away but still in Russia.

Thank you for answering my question bellini

@bellinisurge

What are you going to do about WeAreTheCrystalGems or do you think Brexit is something that happens to other people? Genuine question.

What am I going to do about Brexit? Not a fat lot, clearly; what would you like me to do?

It's pretty clear that May's deal won't be voted through. So I guess it's no deal. TBH, I think someone will come up with a reason for it not to happen and that Article 50 will be revoked. If it does go ahead and we leave the EU, I don't think the skies will fall. But what do I know?

@WeAreTheCrystalGems , I wasn't suggesting some superhero escapade. You clearly aren't politically active and I don't suggest you start now if you don't want to. However, please consider making some personal preparations in case things go squirrelly at the shops.
As I have trotted out several times on here and elsewhere, have a lurk on the Preppers Topic for some sensible non-panicky budget friendly advice.
Start (and if you want, go no further) by imagining you are snowed in for 3 days. What do you want to eat? What do you need in terms of hygiene? Entertainment? Snacks and treats? Don't forget your pets.
Look at shelf stable stuff you can get slowly now rather than some mad panic of buying fresh stuff.
If you are in a house of toast and sandwich fiends, look at how you might make some bread (don't need a bread maker). Saves clogging up your freezer with loaves if you buy dry ingredients for it instead.

If you couldn’t be arsed to vote, you are not entitled to an opinion. That includes people on holiday who could have made arrangements such as postal or proxy voting.

I’m also sick to fucking death of leavers banging on as if they are victims accusing remainers of sneering etc. You got what you wanted, why are you so desperate for validation or to appear as victims? You sound insecure in your choice. You ‘won’ get over it.

Don't forget your pets
Pet food supplies should be fine:

The PFMA is the leading trade body for the UK pet food industry and our 85 members account for over 90% of the market

Raw Materials Supplies
80% of our raw materials are from the UK. We must continue to support domestic farmers to ensure a reliable supply of safe, high quality and high welfare raw materials

Start (and if you want, go no further) by imagining you are snowed in for 3 days
No point in me imagining that - we've been 'snowed in' lots of times - everyone just walks to Café Nero and Pizza Express where I live..

All opinions may be equal but facts are facts

In Climate change, the facts are that Humans are at risk of destroying civilisation by pumping out too much fossil carbon.
Opinions of what to do vary, but that is the fact.

For Brexit, lots of opinions are bandied about but the only factual analysis shows that Brexit will make the UK poorer.
The only reputable Economist who is pro hard Brexit accepts the loss of UK Manufacturing and Agriculture as the "price of freedom"

When I see FACTS about a country leaving a trading bloc and doing just great then I'll read them.
Opinions about it are just more hot air.

@Clavinova , if you are fine to to pop to the shops for Whiskas or whatever when everyone gets fraught and unpleasant there, that's fine.
It's as much about keeping out of the way of bad tempered crowds until everything settles to wherever it's going to settle.

if you are fine to to pop to the shops for Whiskas or whatever when everyone gets fraught and unpleasant there, that's fine

They don't really do unpleasant in Waitrose .

They will if there's feck all on the shelves, @Clavinova

And Booths is much nicer than Waitrose

TBH Clavinova the ramp out of the car park at Winchester Waitrose can get a bit fraught on a good day.