To admit I didn't vote in the Brexit Referendum?

[WeAreTheCrystalGems]

I'm one of the 28% who didn't vote. Anyone else?

"You see no reason behind them"

The reasons aren't valid sorry, in a democracy all votes are equal but the reasons behind them aren't.,

Not all opinions are equal either.

The reasons aren't valid sorry, in a democracy all votes are equal but the reasons behind them aren't

They don’t have to be!

No they don't have to be, that's fine.

But then to complain that people called you stupid when you come on to a site to discuss it is ridiculous.

If you voted out for stupid reasons, then you are going to get called stupid.

Like the people who voted out because of fishing rights, but then asking for special access to the EU markets because that's where 80 percent of the UK catch goes.

@BorisBogtrotter We'll all have to come and live in London!

I didnt vote either. I had been going to spoil my ballot paper as a weeny tiny protest as I was so tired of the very obvious lies on both sides. But I didnt even manage to do that!

However, what will happen is I will sit here in London and watch with mirth as nothing that the OP voted for comes about

It's quite bizarre that some British citizens are willing the UK to be worse off after Brexit.

My point is that what you think of as ‘stupid’ is entirely subjective. Therefore it’s a pointless argument. What you may think stupid others may feel is perfectly logical.

Immigration is a case in point. Some people are in favour of mass immigration, others against. Neither are necessarily wrong.

"It's quite bizarre that some British citizens are willing the UK to be worse off after Brexit"

I'm sorry but that's what the OP in the other thread voted for.

I voted specifically because I knew and understood what the impacts of leaving would be on the poorest areas and the poorest people.

" Some people are in favour of mass immigration, others against. "

Yes but when you can actively disprove the vast majority of reasons for being against immigration you can prove that the real reason behind being anti immigration in the vast majority of cases is xenophobia and prejudice.

I'm sorry but that's what the OP in the other thread voted for

But you want it to go badly so you can gloat.

She wanted the leave vote to make other people poorer like her so it could bring about change.

I don't want it to go badly, but I will laugh at all the sanctimonious posters here who claimed that they voted to make things better for the poor and people in deprived areas.

It does strike me though just how many of the reasons given for leaving chime with Umberto Eco's 14 signs of fascism,

The appeal to social frustration, cults of tradition and rejection of modernism are all evident, and some more.

She wanted the leave vote to make other people poorer like her so it could bring about change

I didn't get to read the other thread, but I doubt that's what she said.

The real reason behind being anti immigration in the vast majority of cases is xenophobia and prejudice

Sigh. They just think differently to you, and you don’t like it. Again, predjudice is entirely subjective.

I don't want it to go badly, but I will laugh at all the sanctimonious posters

And this from someone grandstanding about their superior moral qualities? You should never wish ill on your fellow human beings.

Reminds me of when all the planes were going to drop out of the sky on Y2K.
You do realise masses of work went into making sure that didn’t happen?

It want just magically ok or overhyped nonsense. There were actually real problems averted by real people who worked very hard to prevent them.

{London will be left relatively unscathed by leaving, its the least reliant on the EU for trade. }
Not necessarily true.
The poor will get poorer and the high paid finance industry jobs will move out with consequent loss of the lower paid jobs like security, food and drink retailing and cleaners.
There will be a lack of investment in the many small businesses so everything will contract.

London is predicted to lose 1 % of economic growth over about 5 years. s0 0.25 % less than it would have been had we remained in the EU.

The North East over the same period is likely to see a 16% lower growth economic growth over 5 years.

I'm not wishing ill on my fellow human beings, I'm laughing at the ones that voted to make other people poorer, becoming poorer themselves.

"They just think differently to you, and you don’t like it."

This is fallacious, its one of the great problems of the modern era, the ridiculous idea that all opinions are equal, they aren't.

You can think differently, but unless you can prove the things you are saying are true, then your reasons for the way you think can be questioned.

This is fallacious, its one of the great problems of the modern era, the ridiculous idea that all opinions are equal, they aren't

They are though

You’re talking facts. Which can bolster any particular opinion you happen to have. But feelings enter into this debate as much as anything else.

Why should Brits lose the vote after 15 years overseas?

Changing the subject, this has amused me; from a House of Commons research briefing paper:

The Conservative manifesto for the 1987 general election promised to extend the period of eligibility, but was not specific about a new time limit. A period of consultation with all interested bodies followed, with a consultation paper issued in April 1988.This suggested a new time limit of between 7 and 20 years, or even an unlimited qualification

From a House of Commons Debate 5 July 1989, c 413;
Jeremy Corbyn (Labour) tabled an amendment that specified an amendment of 10 years saying that it was “nonsense to enfranchise people who have lived abroad for 25 years”

In evidence to the Committee, the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats both argued that twenty years was perhaps too long...

You can think differently, but unless you can prove the things you are saying are true

But people look at the same set of facts and come to different conclusions to you - how then do you explain it? Just by telling them they’re wrong? That if they listened to you, who knows, they’d see the light?

They have a different upbringing, age, life experience, social set, moral conditioning, education, personality than you. You can’t eliminate these things. People vote for different things at each general elections based on different values they hold dear - so why do you expect the referendum to be any different or any more clear-cut?

predjudice is entirely subjective.

Perhaps not from the POV of the person experiencing it. Are you also in favour of minimising or denying prejudice against gay people? Women?

As for "all opinions being equal" this will be stress-tested to destruction on 30th March, when the lorries start backing up at Dover (or not).

To slightly expand on that: everyone is equally entitled to hold an opinion. But those opinions differ in the extent to which they are rational or reality-based. In other words, some opinions are stupider than others.

What are you going to do about @WeAreTheCrystalGems or do you think Brexit is something that happens to other people? Genuine question.

But feelings enter into this debate as much as anything else.
Feelings can be (And WERE) manipulated. Facts are demonstrated.