To admit I didn't vote in the Brexit Referendum?

[WeAreTheCrystalGems]

I'm one of the 28% who didn't vote. Anyone else?

BorisBogtrotter

Its good to see that you are ignoring all the other abuse that she got. But this is also the view of MNHQ.

Your choice. I find it really annoying how people get so worked up on how everyone else voted.

Doesn't say the personal attacks were just on the OP, saw a fair few going the other way from leavers.

Anyway, as stated, the OP in the previous thread voted for what Brexit meant in her head, not what it means in reality, like most leave voters it was their own personal brexit, not what was on the ballot.

people whose working lives or caring responsibilities make voting hard

Anyone eligible to vote in the UK can get a postal vote.

The only AIBU on the question of Brexit is the UK Government.

England and Wales want Brexit. They would vote for it again tomorrow and the next day. It reflects how these nations see themselves. Let them have it!

Scotland and NI do not want Brexit. It should not be imposed upon them. They can simply stay in the EU.

There is a very clear precedent for this. The Kingdom of Denmark. Denmark generally speaking is in the EU but parts of it are not. Greenland is not and neither is the Faroe Islands. Greenland was in but voted to leave in 1985 and that was that.

By insisting upon a No Deal or Hard Brexit for everyone, it is the UK Gov who are forcing the United Kingdom to separate. It’s just an appalling attitude.

If they continue on this course then Scottish independence and a United Ireland are inevitable. Fine by me.

I just hope (being Scottish) that Scotland doesn’t re-enter the EU and instead goes for EFTA membership.

BorisBogtrotter

Anyway, as stated, the OP in the previous thread voted for what Brexit meant in her head,

It doesn't make the reason why she voted wrong. It makes it different to yours.

my scientific education means I work with facts, and theories that can proven/disproven

That's what you work with, but you should know about more than that. If you really weren't taught critical thinking, evaluating sources, assumptions, biasses, any of that stuff, then we haven't succeeded in science education.

How was I supposed to prove either way what would be the right decision when even the politicians who are getting paid for this don’t know their arses from their elbows?

You are supposed to be able to look beyond politicians, who have their own interests. That's why there was a referendum.

And I refuse to be held accountable for what anyone else did with their limited knowledge - On both sides of the argument.

You are just as accountable as anyone else. No more and no less. But not willing to take responsibility for making the decision.

We have had over 2 years of 'we won get over it' from some who voted leave.
When asked WHAT they have won, the answers are a bit thin on the ground.
When asked HOW the UK economy and the welfare of those in poor communities will be improved, there is no answer although some just said the government will sort it out.
This nebulous waffle from the mouths (fingers) of those who voted leave is NOT the way to run a country because if you can't define where you are going how will you know when you have got there?

BorisBogtrotter - I have the whole thread saved and would need to check back but what type of comment thing did you see going the other way that would in any way justify the abuse the OP received?

SM through anonymity allows people to show their true selves and some on that deleted thread should feel very ashamed of themselves (especially when they claim they are the caring, sharing, tolerant types on other threads). Don't try and justify it, it was plain nasty.

"It doesn't make the reason why she voted wrong. It makes it different to yours"

That's rubbish.

The reasons she gave are invalid, the OP voted for her own personal outcomes of Brexit, none of which were on the ballot.

The only outcome was to remain or leave the EU. Nothing more, so voting out because you hope it will bring your own personal issues up is invalid.

LEts have an example of the "abuse" then.

1tisILeClerc

Fair point but you (like so many others) ignore the vitriol that has been thrown at leavers by remainers.

Its the reason that the brexit board was put there, because people were sick of the rubbish being thrown around. And now that Brexit is back on the AIBU it has reverted back to the same rubbish.

Nope. I’m not accountable for other people who didn’t know what they were doing, doing it anyway.

I did look beyond the politicians. They have a hypothesis and have to prove that it is true. Nothing I saw proved 100% that the uk would be better off in OR out of the EU. There was nothing definite. I still don’t know. And I didn’t have and still don’t have the time to try and scrape together an ounce of truth from all the propaganda that was and is floating about. So I exercised my right to not vote.

Citations needed.

MN knew that by leaving the thread on AIBU and deleting the ones in chat at the brexit section that it would decend into a Bunfight and they could then delete that too

The Brexit board also was set up before the referendum, not because of abuse, but because AIBU was full of Brexit threads all the time,

Mostly set up by astroturfers who sprung into action a few months before the referendum.

Honesty is the best policy.

You could also consider things that were lies, either directly or by omission. Mrs May has come up with another today. £10 Billion to the NHS. Sounds good, but it is over a 5 year period, which is £2 Billion, not so good, and the revised practices are simply those that were announced years ago but haven't happened yet.
The use of 'big numbers' to grab a headline. £350 Million a week for the NHS was the slogan on the bus. Yes it looks an impressive number to you and I but diddly squat in the overall spending of the government which I believe is around £2 Trillion a year.
The amount going to the EU is actually around £200 per person per year, but when you look at the 'benefits' of that £200 spend it works out that the UK saves nearly 5 times as much.

BorisBogtrotter

The reasons she gave are invalid, the OP voted for her own personal outcomes of Brexit, none of which were on the ballot.

they were her reasons, they are not invalid, by all means argue against them, but don't invalidate them Just cos.

And if you really need examples of the vitriol thrown at leavers we can start with the obligatory racist comments.

If you want a screen shot you are out of luck as MNHQ have deleted them as they break talk guidelines.

They are invalid reasons, no promises were made to invest in de industrialised or deprived areas, the money on the side of the bus doesn't exist following leaving the EU.

Essentioally the previous OP vboted to make other people's lives worse so they noticed her plight, again not going to occur.

Sorry but these are not valid reasons to vote to leave the EU, its A reason, but that doesn't make it valid.

It's like cutting off your left foot so you stop feeling the pain in the right, its a reason, but its not a valid one.

BorisBogtrotter
Citations needed.

It should be "Citations wanted." this is not a dissertation.

BorisBogtrotter

By your reasoning all reasons are invalid as they were not explicit on the ballot.

Except there were several things that were clear about leaving the EU and its impact, fine if you wanted those things, but none of what the OP wants is even likely to occur.

Invalid reasons.

They were the OP of that threads reasons they are not invalid to her.

By all means argue why you believe that they are invalid. but just saying that they are invalid doesn't make them less valid to her, just that you see no reason behind them.

However, what will happen is I will sit here in London and watch with mirth as nothing that the OP voted for comes about.

London will be left relatively unscathed by leaving, its the least reliant on the EU for trade.

House prices won't crash here, not many people will lose jobs.

Its the leave voting areas that will be hit hardest.

What else will happen is that London will start campaigning to keep more of its tax revenue.