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in-laws with problematic views

155 replies

Sleeplessinthecountry · 04/01/2019 14:21

Have NC for this, and don't want to put much specific/identifying detail. It's more of a WWYD.

DH comes from a different country from where we live, and one where certain sections of society are, even now, completely racist (He is not, even the slightest). I have very strong views on any form of predjudice/racism etc and am not at all afraid to express them if I come across this. I have actually thrown "friends" (now ex-friends) out of my house in the past for expressing homophobic views, for example.

DH has very little contact with his family. He doesn't have any contact at all with some of them and the rest he hasn't seen in many years. He has very little in common with most of them, less so every year that he lives in the country where we live (my home country, where he moved to to be with me, fifteen years ago). He has had a little Facebook contact in recent years with a few of them, stuff like catching up with what has happened to people's kids in adulthood, seeing family snaps, wishing happy Christmas etc.

Over Christmas he had a message from a close (close in blood tie, not in relationship) family member who might be travelling with her husband to where we live and naturally would like to see us. Of course I said great, I have never met any of these people and it would be really interesting. I even said why don't they come and stay with us for a few days. These people are getting on in years and it may be DH's last chance to actually see them (he never travels back to his country of origin).

He then explained to me that I would basically have to bite my tongue if these people were around as they are completely racist, to the point they would be certain to not only be casually be racist in conversation without even realising it is a problem, but also to use language that we would find completely unaccaptable (think the "N word", it's not that word exactly but another word just as offensive if not more so, which is used by true racists in their country). They would even be quite likely to do things like refusing to get on public transport if people of another colour were on it, or to refusing to eat somewhere of people of another colour were also eating. That is the level of racism we are talking about. It sounds shocking to most people but it is still present (although thankfully no longer that widespread) in parts of the country they come from.

I said I was not sure I would be able to promise to keep my tongue in those circumstances. DH understands it's a difficult situation but asked me to do so just this once, these people are his family, he would like to see them after so many years, they would like to see him, they are old and we will not be likely to ever see them again. Could I not just set my beliefs aside for a day or two, in the full knowledge that DH is as appalled by racism as I am?

Bear in mind that DH is a very isolated person, family-wise. His parents have been dead for many years, he is estranged from some of his family, and those he does have contact with, the contact is minimal. I still have both parents, and siblings (they live in other countries from me as well, but we are all very much in contact and see each other when we can). So basically I have family and a feeling of belonging to a heritage and background. He is completely cut off from his and I think that must be very difficult.

WWYD?

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limitedperiodonly · 04/01/2019 18:55

There isn't a plan that isn't going to end up in an argument of some sort. Even if they can be convinced that their views are offensive and you don't want to hear them, force of habit ingrained over 70 years mean they will probably say something without realising it and you will be waiting for it.

So you either say they can't come round or you bite your tongue for the duration except for reminding them that you don't want to hear it. Unless they say something you know is deliberately intended to provoke you. Are they likely to do that?

Sleeplessinthecountry · 04/01/2019 19:04

Oh I can't imagine they would want to deliberately provoke me. They would have no reason to. They apparantly present as nice and kind people (unconscious racism aside), very family orientated and would be very interested to meet me, as well as see DH who they haven't seen for years. It's all presented in a positive fashion. DH moving here to be with me has been seen as a huge positive by the family, even though it meant they didn't get to see him any more. His life situation has been very much improved by being here. I also brought up his two children (from previous marriage), and am generally well-regarded by his family (even though I don't really know them).

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Yearofthemum · 04/01/2019 19:05

Sleepless that is a chilling story.

Yearofthemum · 04/01/2019 19:06

I mean -considering- not sleepless!

StillIRise87 · 04/01/2019 19:18

I am not white and I managed to be friendly with a white Zimbabwean family who were totally racist . I found them anthropologically fascinating. Especially how they were lovely and courteous to me as a mixed race person . Like the last of a dying breed . Totally confused and not very bright . You won’t change their thinking so there is no point but I would only challenge their views if they said anything in front of my child or in public where they might offend others . Other than that you are looking at the last of the dinosaur white Africans before they become extinct. They are on the last train out of town as white Africans as the younger generations now have no choice but to adapt . They are no threat to you or anyone else anymore.

Obsidian77 · 04/01/2019 20:19

I don't think op's main problem will be racist outbursts or them refusing to enter somewhere not exclusively full of white people, it's that everything they think, say or do will be permeated with appalling racism.
So op can't try to change the subject because they will refer everything back to what they're familiar with, which is the kind of white supremacy that sounds unbelievable until you've encountered it and seen how entrenched it is.
I would anticipate that you'll be subjected to extended rants about crime and corruption and told that you're naive for disagreeing with them.
Do they have British passports?
If they're visiting for the first time ever and not interested in sightseeing might they be scoping out this village with a view to emigrating?

limitedperiodonly · 04/01/2019 23:47

If they're visiting for the first time ever and not interested in sightseeing might they be scoping out this village with a view to emigrating?

And if they are?

Babdoc · 04/01/2019 23:53

Just warn them that racism is a hate crime in Britain and they could be arrested for it. That should help focus their minds on behaving themselves!

Birdsgottafly · 05/01/2019 00:05

"And if they are?"

Then the advice would change, because the OP would have no choice but to address it, or go NC.

I say that as the Daughter of 'one of the white South African Dinosaurs'. Had my Father lived, he wouldn't have got near any of my children.

limitedperiodonly · 05/01/2019 00:06

Like the cops are going to arrest an elderly couple for saying objectionable things when they will have gone back to their own country by the time the police get round to investigating it, even if they can be bothered. Be realistic.

limitedperiodonly · 05/01/2019 00:08

Cross that bridge when you come to it Birdsgottafly. The OP was asking about how to survive two days with these people who apparently her husband would like to see.

Birdsgottafly · 05/01/2019 00:10

"The older generation relatives from South Africa didn’t hesitate in using really foul racist language openly. It was absolutely appalling."

It might sound strange but when they point and say things like "look at that Black gentleman in a suit" in a certain way, with a certain look on their face, it's just as infuriating.

Birdsgottafly · 05/01/2019 00:12

limitedperiodonly, it was a strange point for you to highlight.

WyfOfBathe · 05/01/2019 00:18

I have a black DH and mixed race DC, so I wouldn't invite racists into my house for obvious reasons.

Even if my family were all white, I can't imagine inviting open extreme racists to stay. But if you do want to meet them, and they're closeby during their holiday, could you invite them just for dinner? That way, if they're nice you can continue to have contact in the future, and if they're not, you're only stuck with them for a couple of hours.

limitedperiodonly · 05/01/2019 00:24

I don't think it's strange Birdsgottafly. Who knows what their plans are or whether they will be able to fulfill them or even want to when they arrive in Britain and discover it's not as they thought?

If they do succeed in settling, then OP can decide what do to from there. But at the moment we're talking about a two-day visit from people who hold very unpleasant views but who the OP has said wouldn't be deliberately provocative to her and who her husband would like to see.

Lizzie48 · 05/01/2019 00:37

Like the cops are going to arrest an elderly couple for saying objectionable things when they will have gone back to their own country by the time the police get round to investigating it, even if they can be bothered. Be realistic.

True. And also, the police don't tend listen to private conversations on the off chance that someone will make a racist comment. They would only intervene if this couple made derogatory comments to another hotel guest who took offence or posted something online.

It will just be a question of whether you can tolerate being around these people.

Lizzie48 · 05/01/2019 00:39

I meant to say, that the police would only intervene if this elderly couple struck up a conversation with someone else at whatever restaurant/pub you might go to.

I think it's a highly unlikely scenario personally.

Bitchywaitress · 05/01/2019 00:59

I bet it’s Australia.

Voluvent · 05/01/2019 01:05

I'm intrigued as to why they are visiting. The exchange rate is so harsh, the visit visa process isn't exactly a breeze and it's expensive to apply. When I read the OP the K word and people from the heart of the Vrei staat or Blikkiesdorp immediately came to mind. Sorry OP don't have advice but I think your DH should also forewarn them that if they are muttering rude racist comments in public anywhere in the UK, chances are high that they could be understood by a Saffa in the vicinity. Also I'm intrigued to hear what's the next generation like ie these people's kids..do they have jobs where they have to interact with other colleagues of different races? Are they just as racist as their parents? The mind boggles and sadly I think the country will never ever 100% heal from all those years of entrenched racism.

Patroclus · 05/01/2019 08:17

Theres been a racist chanting football incident lately in Italy, and it goes on a lot in Russia/eastern europe. Rare in spain and portugal though

Patroclus · 05/01/2019 08:17

Actually a few weeks ago here in London a black player had a banana thrown at them.

Birdsgottafly · 05/01/2019 08:53

Voluvent, as I said, I'm the daughter of one of these Dinosaurs. In a way it was lucky that my Father was also 'old school gender roles' and wanted a Son. He was loud and obnoxious, but well liked by his Male Friends and many Women.

It meant that I saw him early on how wrong and ridiculous any of his views werr and rebelled by doing all I could to open up my thinking. Luckily I was an early reader. Around the house we had books from genres such as the Mandingo series etc. In the UK when I talked about them (I was allowed to read them from 10), it was other Parents/children reactions of horror that made me realise how fucked up things were in his head.

He'd be turning in his grave at me babysitting for my DDs friends from Zimbabwe and Nigeria and us always including Jollof rice, on any buffet we do.

He learned how to still be racist without ever using the N word, or spouting anything that could be used against him. A bit like in a Katie Hopkins, early days, type statements, factual at times, but abhorrent.

Greenglassteacup · 05/01/2019 10:44

Read the thread people, it’s South Africa

SilverBirchTree · 05/01/2019 10:51

I guessed South Africa from your first post. How awful.

missyB1 · 05/01/2019 10:57

Yep same issues with my SA in laws. We don't invite them over to the UK now, they just can't keep their racist comments to themselves.