So much negativity about brexit....

[newmun]

Is anyone looking forward to it? Did anyone who vote leave happy they voted it? Or regretful?

I'm properly disabled and we're more fucked than most with Brexit 😂

SusanWalker

I think there's a swathe of people who would like us to go back to the time when people knew their place and didn't have as many rights

Rights? That's a rather specific assumption. How's about perhaps the people that voted Brexit might just have a hunch that annual six figure immigration into a country where social housing is now an impossible dream and housing market prices have risen to a point where the current crop of kids having got a hope in hell of finding something affordable.
Never mind the suppression of wage growth due to a market getting absolutely flooded with EU Nationals.
Is that a set of circumstance that you want your 12 year old having to deal with in ten years time?
Not me. (and that's not even mentioning atomisation that's flying towards the private sector at an ever increasing pace)
Not an economy anyone with half a brain would wish on their kids future.

Earthmover

That's not how it works.
The UK manages to have a decent economy because the working population is maintained through migration.
Lack of affordable housing is a problem inherited from the time Conservative governments decided to sell Council homes with little investment in new homes. Coupled with inadequate legislation.

My guess is that immigration will continue in the same figures, except that it will require more bureocracy.
Unless the economy dives. Then you'll get your wish for less immigration and low house prices. But how will the unemployed buy or rent low price homes even?

It does indeed require half a brain to think hard Brexit will mean good news.

What will be in season? Let them eat chutney.

a country where social housing is now an impossible dream and housing market prices have risen to a point where the current crop of kids having got a hope in hell of finding something affordable.
But that has nothing to do with the EU
Its a UK policy to sell off and not replace social housing
Brexit will not make it better

Shroedingers immigrants who earn too little and claim benefits but also earn too much and buy all the houses. Once they’re gone, the little englanders can start hating again on the more traditional groups: single mums, the poor, the disabled.

That's not how it works. The UK manages to have a decent economy because the working population is maintained through migration. Lack of affordable housing is a problem inherited from the time Conservative governments decided to sell Council homes with little investment in new homes

Six figure immigration to service an ever increasing gig economy where standards of living have fell through the floor isn't my idea of heaven. That's why FOM needed to stop.
As for social housing, you're harking back to the Thatcher era. Playing the blame game(harking back decades) doesn't make an iota of difference. We've had various governments since and it seems abundantly clear that there's not going to be any change in that department.
So we just march on with the current plan and tell our kids to suck it up?
Or do we strive for change?
Because from where I'm sitting it wasn't looking like much of a future for the up and coming generations

Earthmover you are being racist and you must, surely, know it. You should be ashamed. You are implying the ills of the housing market are due to FOM from the EU. That is disgusting and I hope your children elope with an immigrant to make you re-appraise your whole system of beliefs.

So no social housing is the fault of the EU and the nasty immigrants? Nothing to do with no councils building houses cos they are having to sell off land to greedy house builders who cram shite shoebox houses onto the smallest plots they can get away with?

Earthmover
End of FOM will simply mean a swap of one set of immigrants for another- and it's already started according to last year's net migration figures (plummeting numbers from the EU, all time high figure for non EU). Neither good not bad imo but you need to understand migration numbers won't really change.
All the other problems have to do with lack of investment in infrastructure. Brexit is already expensive and sucking dry badly needed resources. Honestly, how anyone can think it's a way to address the issues beats me.
Change? yes; brexit? Noway

Emigration figures and immigration figures aren't (or weren't) massively dissimilar prior to 2016. Are we to stop British nationals emigrating too?

@Earthmover , that's boring stuff. You've got your way. We're leaving. The question now is whether we leave like grown ups and accept WA or go over the cliff with No Deal. Because there are too many grown ups in Parliament to make No Deal likely, if you and your BeLeavers won't accept WA, there is now a distinct possibility of No Brexit. Is that what you want? Trotting out boring crap about Council houses being full of Slovaks or whatever is a waste of time. You need to grow the fuck up and accept WA if you really want to leave. Or do you just love whining?

I won't lower myself to your belittling/ derogatory accusations.

Keep them up though.

It's exactly this that keeps the wedge well and truly driven between the two sides.

Good stuff.

LadyWithLapdog

Earthmover you are being racist

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You need to look up the definition of racism.
Nationalist? perhaps.

Doh!

Oh God, yet again that petty sidetracking into racism vs nationalism. As you were.

Edit “petty” for “tedious”.

Nah. Nationalist = xenophobic hth

Earthmover
How much is Putin paying you to post
It's exactly this that keeps the wedge well and truly driven between the two sides. .... Good stuff.

LadyWithLapdog

Oh God, yet again that petty sidetracking into racism vs nationalism. As you were

Bright as a blackout
If you hadn't brought up that a archaic accusatory term in the first place I wouldn't have had to correct you.

You're stuck in the year 2016 with that line Zzzzzzz

I'm absolutely dreading it. I'm increasingly livid that so few voters (just 27% of the total population) have been able to destroy it for the rest of us, because that idle toff David Cameron couldn't be arsed to put in the safeguarding that a binding referendum needed, before he went dashing round the country to tell everyone that the advisory referendum would be binding.
I find it unthinkable that we are expected to turn a blind eye to the criminality and increasing evidence of foreign influence.
I still find it beyond belief that we will go through with this utter shitstorm, but so much damage has already been done, and presumably people sat at home before the First World War thinking that surely nobody would be stupid enough . . .
And if I hear any more fucking fuckwits banging on about their fucking sovereignty and the bloody empire, I may lose my self-control. The myopic, self-serving nostalgia in this country is one of its most dangerous elements. And I'm so sorry platypus and anyone else in the same situation that we've made you feel so unwelcome that you are leaving. What a mean, narrow place the Brexiters are trying to turn the country into.

I have never felt welcome or fitted in in this country. Yet I was born here and my family go back many, many generations (my DNA results tell me I am 100% British). I speak the indigenous language (Welsh, an old form of Welsh formerly being the language of the Britons - across what is now Wales and England). I'm late 40s now but since childhood I was made to feel different because my only language wasn't English. I was bullied because I went to the Welsh school. I love hearing different languages spoken around me. It reminds me that my way isn't the only way. I'm ashamed that I live in a part of Wales that overwhelmingly voted leave. I'm ashamed to have to call myself British - to me, British is synonymous with English language and culture. Yet we have Welsh, Cornish, Scottish and Irish Gaelic, and Manx (Is the Isle of Man part of the UK? Sorry, showing massive ignorance now) as native languages.

Labour Welsh Government has handed over powers back to Westminster. People have complained for years about the Welsh Assembly. Probably the same people that have voted Labour time after time and probably the same people who voted for Brexit around here. I wonder who they'll blame next?

Reading @Mrsr8's Umair Haque quote has really brought it home how a no deal is going to really fuck over the majority of the population.

Sorry, I've had too much wine and getting more and more worried (bordering on anxious) the closer we get to the end of March.

I spoke with someone a couple of days ago who thought things would get cheaper once we'd left with no deal. All I could say was you never know.

I find it unthinkable that we are expected to turn a blind eye to the criminality and increasing evidence of foreign influence.

This ^. I find it astonishing that the result is even considered valid given the illegal interference we now know about.

earthmover
Nationalism is the seed of war, pure and simple. Always has been.
You really show your influences when you say: You're stuck in the year 2016 with that line Zzzzzzz
Don't be too sure you've won. There are many people in this world who value peace, tolerance and openness.