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So much negativity about brexit....

401 replies

newmun · 03/01/2019 08:59

Is anyone looking forward to it? Did anyone who vote leave happy they voted it? Or regretful?

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Lweji · 04/01/2019 01:12

I wouldn't be worried about paying £65 or the hassle to apply for residency.
I'd worry it might not be granted. Who guarantees it will?

PostNotInHaste · 04/01/2019 07:03

Wow TheMoo, I know it’s the 4th of Jan but think you’ve managed arsehole post of the year and suspect that will stand still at end of the year.

We’re stockpiling insulin on advice of very pragmatic head of diabetes department friend who for ages said don’t worry but then as things developed is now advising her patients to have a supply. She has relatives who are type 1 and ensuring they have supplies. It is 2019 and we’re having to stockpile insulin in the U.K. how fucked up is that.

bellinisurge · 04/01/2019 07:40

@Justanotherlurker - genuinely no idea what you are saying. I'm half Irish and I'm old with a long memory. A potential risk to GFA is very real to me. I also have serving police officers in my family and would hate them to be exposed to this.

EerieSilence · 04/01/2019 10:54

@itinerary and @Moussemoose
In 1938 Britain sold off Czechoslovakia to Hitler to allegedly keep peace only to realise the cost of their cowardice in 1939. How many more people had to die because France and Britain betrayed Czechoslovakia and its people?
Now Britain is running away again from everything, pretending it is possible to exist in isolation. It's not and the history showed the high cost of it.

Lweji · 04/01/2019 10:57

Yes, running away to the US's arms, because of the special relationship.

Meanwhile, to the East... someone is laughing his head off and working on the breakup of a competing and competitive Europe.

EerieSilence · 04/01/2019 11:04

@Lweji - the thing is, Corbyn only plays into the hands of the big Russian bear.
I am scared of what became of Labour because its steering towards extreme left of the old persuasion. Those people don't realise that you can't revive the old Vladimir Ilyitch and those who believe they can, can't see that the winds blow from Moscow and have nothing to do with socialism and all with breaking up Europe because it will be more pliable if it's broken to pieces fighting each other again.
And I also believe that Britain will only become more racist, segregationist and class-based than ever.

Lweji · 04/01/2019 11:10

I'm afraid you may well be right.

zsazsajuju · 04/01/2019 11:12

Yeah I suppose I was getting a bit tired of my job so may be looking forward to losing it a bit. The imminent grinding poverty though not so much.

NameChanger22 · 04/01/2019 11:36

I've had a constant sinking feeling and anxiety since the referendum. That might stop once the shit hits the fan and adrenaline might kick in. I'm looking forward to that a tiny bit. I'm fed up of worrying. I'm still trying to be optimistic, it's hard, but maybe Brexit might not as bad as I imagine it to be. Something miraculous might happen.

Ta1kinPeace · 04/01/2019 12:06

Sadly, with the poll of Tory members released this morning
I see no alternative to a Hard Brexit to shake folks to their senses

the fact that it will set the UK economy back to 1972
is a heartbreaking reality

BishopBrennansArse · 04/01/2019 13:24

Yeah I've made the mistake of listening to Nick Ferrari on LBC in the mornings now Chris Evans has gone. It's not good for my blood pressure.

The arrogance I heard this morning, a caller actually saying we need to go hard Brexit as then Europe will come crawling to us and give us what we want.... no they won't, why the fuck should they?!?!?

MaMaMaMySharona · 04/01/2019 14:27

Late to the party on this one, but the only reasonably ok reason I've heard from anyone for voting leave was that he knew it would be negative in the short and mid terms, but he thought that in the future it would be better for our country and economy.

He's one of these people who thinks we were better off before the EU, and said that if we had never joined and were a given a vote now on whether to do so or not, he doesn't think we'd go for it (which I don't entirely disagree with).

Despite this, I am vehemently against leaving and I don't think my mind will ever be changed on that. I am annoyed that older generations did what they think is 'best for us' but so many of them will never see the long term effects. It's bullshit.

LadyWithLapdog · 04/01/2019 14:31

How long is short and mid term? For some this may be their entire life. There’s no guarantee of anything good long term. Just crap all around.

LadyWithLapdog · 04/01/2019 14:32

Also, why should we accept being worse off at all? Did anyone ask if that’s what we want?

Moussemoose · 04/01/2019 15:01

@EerieSilence it's strange how leavers point to WW2 as an example of why we should Brexit when it is a clear example of why we should remain and support Europe.

MaMaMaMySharona · 04/01/2019 15:19

@LadyWithLapdog very good question and I have absolutely no idea. I would hope less than 10 years, but really it could be anything!

LadyWithLapdog · 04/01/2019 15:24

@MaMaMaMySharona exactly, a nebulous term to avoid facing reality. You know what, 10 years is too long. It’s the best part of my children’s childhood to adulthood time, why should it be crap? It’s also the best time I’ll have before old age starts settling in; why should these years be crap? Of course it may be 10-20-a whole generation? Who bloomin’ knows?

Ta1kinPeace · 04/01/2019 16:30

Rees Mogg reckons the full benefits will be felt after about 50 years
so when my kids are 70 Sad

Lweji · 04/01/2019 17:42

By that time he's dead and nobody will be able to hold him responsible. What a way to get out of any responsibility.
We should freeze him and wake him up in 50 years.

LadyWithLapdog · 04/01/2019 18:11

All the whole his kids probably well cushioned for all the shit Brexit will bring.

RiskIt4Biscuit · 04/01/2019 18:13

"We won’t be able to get certain foods like bananas or tomatoes but it’s not like we won’t be able to eat. And we’ll be leaving at a time when British produce is beginning to come into season so it’s the best possible time to leave with no deal."
This was said by a Conservative Leave-backing former cabinet minister.

So we've gone from being promised that the country would be better off after Brexit, no matter what kind of deal - remember May said that "No deal is better than a bad deal" to not being told that we will still be able to eat.
We should probably also keep in mind that we don't produce enough food in Britain to sustain the whole British population - so even if British produce is coming into season, there will not be enough for everyone in the UK.

And it would be a pity to forget what the Leave Alliance HQ tweeted in November 2017 - surely this is not what people voted for when they voted for Brexit:

"1. Except people did vote against the status quo and the current economic settlement. These places were already stagnating - so Brexit forces a lot of hard choices we have deferred for 2 decades. This might well be a positive."

"2. The country is peppered with slum towns long since devoid of a reason for being. The mining and steel jobs are never going to rerturn, so why are we perpetuating poverty by sustaining these places with welfare?"

"3. If Brexit then brings about some actual austerity, residents of these places will be forced into the cities, which of itself is beneficial - agglomoration creates increased market sizes in cities."

"When did affordable housing become a human right? Everybody who got anywhere had to rough it for a bit and make sacrifices. You don't improive your lot by rotting in Blackpool on the sick and waiting on a housing register."

"What people voted for was change. The public were told (ad nauseam) there would be major economic consequences - yet voted to leave anyway. So now, as voting adults, they will experience adult consequences."

"It is not a given that sleeping on the streets is the only imaginable outcome. There are market based options - and the market will adapt when you remove the articifial floor price."

As seem above, it's not just remainers who are negative about Brexit - it's the people who campaigned for Brexit, and people who voted for Brexit should realise this, rather than state that we are just negative and scaremongering.

As mentioned earlier, Rees-Mogg has stated it will take 50 years before we will see any benefits of Brexit.

Lord Digby Jones said: "I think Britain in 100 years’ time will thank God they came out."

And Farage has said: "I never said it would be a beneficial thing to leave and everyone would be better off, just that we would be self-governing.”

So again, what are the tangible benefits of Brexit?

Even the Brexit campaigners can't seem to mention any - other than of course learning that if you vote for major economic consequences despite being warned, you will have to deal with the consequences.

LadyWithLapdog · 04/01/2019 18:16

That’s fucking chilling reading. The callousness of it all.

BishopBrennansArse · 04/01/2019 18:21

@LadyWithLapdog more than cushioned, Rees-Mogg has business interests that will actually make him richer if the British economy tanks. He's financially invested for his own country to fail.

Mind you this man will use cash to salve going against his moral convictions. Being pro life yet having shares in a business that produces termination medication.

It's one of the reasons I actually hate the man and there are very few people I can say that about, hatred being so energy consuming.

SusanWalker · 04/01/2019 18:24

I think there's a swathe of people who would like us to go back to the time when people knew their place and didn't have as many rights. Of course it wouldn't apply to them because they are hardworking/properly disabled/prepared to go without avocados as that would buy a house if you wanted one badly enough.

bellinisurge · 04/01/2019 18:30

Stuff doesn't come into season then. It's actually the "hungry months" when winter stuff has stopped giving anything and spring planted stuff hasn't started. Unless you have a big agribusiness.
It's harder to get your crops started the further north you are because the ground is too cold and there's still not enough sun.