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James Bulger

567 replies

Monty27 · 03/01/2019 07:32

Hang your head in shame Vincent Lambre.
You low life creep.
Anyone?

OP posts:
User758172 · 04/01/2019 15:45

He’s almost 40, he’s been caught twice looking at the worst grade of child sexual exploitation images which usually includes children being tortured, hurt or the involvement of animals. He’s had millions spent on him trying to help and rehabilitate him and it’s not worked

This monster should never have been freed to see the light of day. If ever there was a hopeless cause - this is it! Hang him and be done.

Zoflorabore · 04/01/2019 15:47

Don't " for shame " me-
I haven't chosen this.

I am from Liverpool, I remember how it affected everyone here, it was horrific and I've never forgotten that day. I was 15.

I don't agree with it at all and will be speaking to school. What more can I do?

User758172 · 04/01/2019 15:50

@Zoflorabore

I’ll say it again - for shame.

As i said, it’s unconscionable that anyone should participate in this, and he’ll would freeze over before I allowed my child to do so. It’s utterly wicked and immoral.

Bluelady · 04/01/2019 15:59

The film is based entirely on transcripts from the police interviews. It hasn't bee nice produced for entertainment but as an attempt to understand how something so dreadful could have happened.

Clearly, although it shouldn't be necessary, there is a need to remind people that these two boys are human. This thread proves that. I completely understand why people demonise them, to do otherwise would be to let in the idea that human ten year old boys can do terrible things. But that doesn't mean it's justified.

I've watched the trailers and I intend to see the film. Until I have I'm reserving judgement on it.

PortiaCastis · 04/01/2019 16:01

The whole thing is sick, why put that poor toddlers mother through more pain.

Glorifying a baby's murder is low

Bluelady · 04/01/2019 16:03

How is it glorifying it?

Ifangyow · 04/01/2019 16:23

Humanise two cold blooded killers? What the Hell?
My heart broke for that poor little beautiful baby and his family. It still upsets me if I think about his pain even now.
The person making this film must be sick in his head to even consider making a film, and as twisted in mind as the two callous bastard who committed the terrible murder.
I certainly won't be watching.
R.I.P James and God bless your dear family.

ADastardlyThing · 04/01/2019 16:34

There's a couple of scenes from the film online, I did have a look because i was still hopeful that my impression of this filmmaker and his intentions were wrong and I absolutely would have come back on here to say so.

It isn't.

SaturdayNext · 04/01/2019 16:37

MrsAriadneOliver, I don't think someone who publicly advocates hanging someone for something they did at the age of 10 is in a position to "for shame" anyone.

Fairylea · 04/01/2019 16:38

Of course the film isn’t about trying to understand why they did this. Anyone who is remotely interested in trying to understand that can easily search up 1000000s of articles and papers and interview transcripts online that have been there in the many years since it happened. Nothing new is being revealed in this film. It’s purely a name maker for the filmmaker.

SweetLathyrus · 04/01/2019 16:43

PortiaCastis you are commenting on something you have not seen. As the ONLY poster (as far as I know) that has seen the whole film. It does not glorify anything. The film does not sympathise with the killers. The film is not made for 'entertainment', it is social criticism.

User758172 · 04/01/2019 16:46

@SaturdayNext

You obviously didn’t pay attention to what I wrote, as I didn’t advocate the hanging of ten year olds.

I certainly do advocate hanging him now. He’s a monster who belongs in hell.

Helmetbymidnight · 04/01/2019 16:56

There are so many ways a director could make a socially critical film without using one particular families tragic and recent loss of their small child.

How awful for their story to be treated as fodder for all the amateur child psychologists out there.

Lose2StoneObviously · 04/01/2019 16:56

*it was a mistake as far as Venables was concerned. Mary Berry, Robert Thompson, the two boys in Edlington,,,,....'

Mary Berry!

Helmetbymidnight · 04/01/2019 16:57

You heard it here first!

Bluelady · 04/01/2019 17:13

@Sweetlathyrus, how thought provoking is the film? I appreciate it must be pretty harrowing, is it worth seeing, bearing that in mind?

SweetLathyrus · 04/01/2019 17:34

@Bluelady, the film is harrowing. I put off watching it, though I was aware of it, and have (briefly) met Vincent Lambe.

Yes, it is worth watching. It is (as unpopular as this will make me) worthy of its Oscar nomination. It is not in anyway sympathetic, as I have said, there are some aspects that clearly implicate Jon Venables as the more culpable of the two. It is based entirely on transcripts, and the child actors are extraordinary. It will make you think (and cry). It is in no way prurient, exploitation, or (god help us,) entertaining. Film is not all superheroes and romcom, sometimes it is difficult, and important.

I am of a generation that means the murder has been part of my life in a professional capacity (I'm not directly connected or from Liverpool though).

lifeofitsown · 04/01/2019 17:39

The media should have refused to engage with him. He shouldnt have any air time!

SaturdayNext · 04/01/2019 17:44

You obviously didn’t pay attention to what I wrote, as I didn’t advocate the hanging of ten year olds.

And that's not what I said, MrsAriadneOliver. You need to apply you advice to yourself.

Zoflorabore · 04/01/2019 17:52

Oh shut up now you are boring me.

I have no authority on the GCSE drama syllabus, I'm assuming those that do are better educated than I am ( I have a degree ) but people can make the wrong judgement of course. There is obviously a reason it was chosen.

Bluelady · 04/01/2019 17:55

Thank you @SweetLathyrus, good to hear a first hand account. I hope I get the opportunity to see it for myself.

Gilead · 04/01/2019 18:00

Hang him and be done.
Ahh, so murder is acceptable if it's state sanctioned...

mikado1 · 04/01/2019 18:02

That's interesting because I watched the 1min trailer and it looked like the original view of RT as quite cold and cheeky even, while JV was beside himself and stressed, based on the interview recordings.

TornFromTheInside · 04/01/2019 18:14

There but for the grace of God go we...

Whilst countless children with very deprived backgrounds manage to overcome their troubles, or at least work their way through it, some do not.

James Bulger's death was not merely a tragedy concerning one family and the death of an innocent child, but also a tragic tale of how ultimately three children's lives collided irrevocably.

For all the accusations of 'evil' children, my own belief is that Venables and Thompson were born in innocence. What a sad indictment of our world it is, when within a few short years, they can be moulded into killers - perhaps in part by a predisposition, but most likely for the large part a combination of circumstance, conditioning and environment.

It does not mean to say that because hundreds of thousands of troubled children do not go on to kill, that when a handful actually do, that society absolves itself of all blame.

What happened was horrific. Trying to understand why seems futile, but we must try. Thompson and Venables are not alone. Mary Bell too - and others have suffered similarly.

Mary Bell's (they say) is effectively rehabilitated. Venables seemingly not so. That does not mean that young offenders (including killers) should not be afforded the chance to salvage something from their lives.

If we cannot prevent such crimes (and the evidence shows we can't) then we should at least try to understand. 'Evil kids' is not an answer.

mikado1 · 04/01/2019 18:37

Tornfromtheinside you've said everything that I feel. That, imo, is the crux of it all.