AIBU to think that other than some people being upset or angry, there are no downsides for the UK if Brexit doesn't happen ?

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I can't think of any downsides to the UK not brexiting other than some of the population being upset for a bit. Can anyone else ?

Just to pedantically point out that global warming could also give us a summer of torrential downpours, thereby putting a dampener on riots. Happy days.

Do people see brexit as being like a full time version of the purge or something?

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Recent polls have remain 54:46 leave , so if we believe in democracy we should stay surely?

Yep can't remember when the opinion polls got in wrong

Not entirely sure where you are getting 1/5 from either.

well to my mind recent polls suggest opinion has not really moved that much it is still on average 2-3% ahead there is only 1 poll that has a bigger difference than 4% and that is YOUGOV as margin of error is about 3% YOUGOV consistently puts remain further ahead that any other polling group
my personal opinion is that in the UK as a whole ( not just London and Scotland and Mumsnet) opinion is still split and despite everything that has happened relatively few people have changed their minds and if remain was so startling obviously right I would expect the remain to be closer to 60% but it just isn't

@bluejay Dyson has moved production to Singapore because Singapore has just signed a bilateral trade agreement with the EU. So no WTO rules for him

Dyson hasn't manufactured vacuums or washing machines in the UK for at least ten years.

I wonder how many people who abstained from voting the first time would use their vote this time.
None of my family have said they'd vote, none of them could care less tbh. It's not like it's not all decided already, we are but pawns.

I know they haven't produced here since 2002 but they sell all over the world using WTO.
Dyson employs 3,500 people in the UK.

He's built a factory in Singapore because of "supply chains". In other words, it's cheaper. Yay, for British businesses.

@Bluejag
WTO rules apply to countries not companies.
And clearly being in the EU has not held Dyson back at all from trading with the dynamic parts of the world.

What will be the positives for him of Brexit?
Especially as he has relocated business to a country with a Free trade deal with the EU
while advocating his birthplace leaves one

How do you find a compromise between 17.4million voting to leave and 16.1million voting to stay?

It's so tiring seeing the argument that leavers 'won' and remainers need to get over it. Had the result been the other way around campaigning for a 2nd referendum would have been much sooner and much louder.

In the mean time you have areas all over the UK struggling, in poverty, with homelessness, with NHS cuts, social care cuts, austerity in full swing. Some people may have voted to leave based on well reasoned arguments, a wealth of information to digest and a willingness to accept the consequences (whatever they may be) of leaving. However, you also have the ones that voted to have their voices heard for once, you have the ones that voted for change because it's not happening any other way, you have the ones that don't have access to the wealth of information or any means of understanding it fully.

People in the poorest parts of the UK are going to suffer terribly if even some of the predictions of a hard brexit come true. How do food banks function if there are food shortages? If people sense they will be without food, how far does charity extend when there isn't a plentiful supply to ensure those donating already have enough provisions? If companies pack their bags and leave, how does that help people who will lose their jobs?

The leave campaign directly targeted areas that are poorer, they targeted the people who want to be heard because their lives are hard already and they want change. Instead of politicians listening and redistributing the wealth that surrounds the London bubble, they heard 'leave won, let's do this'.

With the vote as close as it was, if brexit were pursued it should surely have been something to suit both sides of the debate? Why do people that voted remain now have no entitlement to a say in the way the country is run? We have a prime minister so hell bent on forcing her deal through that she is willing to risk no deal in the process. Do you think she will be queuing at the food banks if it happens? Or dying from having her med supply run out?

I don't believe a 2nd vote is wise, I think it would divide the country further and the dodgy dealings that haven't been addressed in the first referendum would be a worrying factor too. I think the responsibility of the government is to protect the people, the country and the economy. They should act in all of our interests, not just those who voted to leave or remain, and they should stop playing party politics when lives are at stake.

I think the fairest way forward is to revoke, and to then seriously consider and plan what brexit would be. Assess all options, understand the impacts of them, and when they have the viable options that don't cause a catastrophe they should present them to the people and allow a vote. To say a 2nd referendum should be held now with remain, leave or the withdrawal agreement as options isn't fair, it's not considered, people wanted different versions of brexit and why should everyone be punished and suffer because our elected government didn't have the foresight to at least look at the effects of a no deal scenario and properly plan for them.

I know many people who voted brexit ‘because of the muslims’ - and they are still pro-brexit.
The downside would be pissing them off I suppose.

That really demonstrates how ignorant misguided some Brexit voters are. EU countries are not predominantly Muslim, and removing the right to free movement from EU nationals while encouraging immigration from non-EU countries to backfill the resulting gaps in the labour force would be likely to lead to more Muslim immigration from countries like Pakistan and Indonesia, not less.

Pissing off the Islamophobes would be an upside though, imo.

Read the ballot paper that we put a cross to leave or stay.
It was explained there what we were voting for.

But it wasn't. There are a myriad of different leaving options, from SMCU, Norway option, Norway + and god knows how many more. Which one were you actually voting for, Blue?

Oh heaven forbid London finally takes one for the team

The financial services sector, most of which is in London, contributes massively to the economy of the country as a whole. It's around 6-7% of GDP. The loss of tax revenue and impact on the balance of payments that will arise from the loss of the financial services passport will have a big impact on the whole country.

To paraphrase what someone said about Germany, when London sneezes, the rest of the country catches a cold. The current austerity measures will look like a Sunday School picnic compared to what will come to make up for the loss of that income.

These were the 2 options. It didn't say deal or no deal.

Yes there were two options.

Now we have clarity about the options: WA, no deal or remain, we should have another referendum.

I know WTO isn't perfect but it may be our only choice.

Then how do we square the circle between the terms of the Belfast Agreement and the WTO requirement that we have a border between the UK and Ireland?

Imo the Belfast Agreement is one of the biggest political and diplomatic achievements of my lifetime. I don't want to see the clock turned back to 1970. Many are too young to remember the sheer horror of those years, when thousands died and thousands more were injured, when anti-Irish sentiment was rife here on the mainland and when people were imprisoned without trial.

Even if I was in favour of Brexit, I'd still vote against it unless there was a realistic proposal that guaranteed no hard border on the island of Ireland.

@BlueJag , meanwhile in grown up world it means Leave via WA or via No Deal.
Stamping your feet, pouting and saying leave means leave is not the action of a grown up.

@BlueJag
These were the 2 options. It didn't say deal or no deal.
Indeed, so you had not read up on the implications beforehand.
Now we all know.
Which version of Brexit do you want ?
Customs Deals with the rest of the world?
or no customs deals ?

@bellinisurge I'm not the one having a tantrum.

@Bluejag
But you are also, very blatantly, not answering any of the questions and points being raised

Agree with pps who say revoke article 50 and then really consult and plan on what Brexit could/should look like. Then another vote in about 3 years time/at the next general election. That is what grown ups would do. Unfortunately we are not governed by grown ups.

I also don't think leavers would riot. That is just their version of 'project fear'.

There is absolutely no point whatsoever in asking questions of leave voters, they've got a script and they stick to it. Was it just me on referendum night who heard Farage start demanding a 2nd referendum, in the interests of democracy you know, before he twigged he'd pulled off the most unexpectedly successful con of his career?