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To not know what to do about DS18 being vile to DD15

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Railwaychildren · 01/01/2019 14:49

DS 18 and DD 15 have never been close, I don’t know why, we’ve brought them up the same, tried to treat the both of them equally etc but DS just will not tolerate DD at all.
I can’t really remember when this started, DS was ok when he was little and she came along, being a boy and a girl they’ve always had separate interests and toys but they used to play together occasionally etc.
The last few years DS has become considerably worse towards DD. He will hardly look at her, won’t speak to her apart from maybe one word and will treat her with total disdain. He’s actually become like it to DH and I over the last year or so too.
He’s an intelligent, nice lad and he’s not been any trouble. He’s always felt he was the ‘top dog’ academically of the pair of them but he’s had a shock this last year as after flying his GCSEs he absolutely bombed his AS levels as he simply didn’t put any work in. He became disdainful of DH and I and wouldn’t listen, telling us we didn’t know what we were talking about etc. Well the proof was in the pudding when he failed last August. As we knew he wasn’t putting the work in and preferring to spend all his time online gaming we insisted he got a PT job to keep his car running (that we bought, paid for lessons and helped insure). This PT job then became the reason he failed his AS levels of course, it was our fault.
Luckily he was offered a brilliant apprenticeship in the summer and we more or less insisted he took it rather than waste time resitting his AS levels and bumming around - he had absolutely no plans to go to university so we felt that this was the best option for him. It’s a fantastic opportunity with a huge global company with brilliant prospects. He goes every day but won’t tell us what he’s doing and share anything abou it at all. He just grunts at us, spends time in his room gaming when he’s not in work or out in his car. It feels like he’s punishing us for something (probably as we got firm over the AS levels) but he has everything! A lovely home, stable family etc. He’s 18 and wants to be treated like an adult but he barely acts like one.

So, back to DD, she gets a bit upset that he’s so dismissive but however hard she tries to be kind to him he will not engage. Today, things have come to a head - we live semi rurally and DS has gone out in his car. DD is here and is bored so asked if she could go on his Xbox to be able to game with her friend. He text almost immediately to me to demand that she gets off it. I explained that she would be careful and that she wasn’t hurting, I asked him to be kind and allow her to play as we are a little cut off - it’s how he mostly talks to his friends! So surely he’d understand? No, she’s to get off it and he’s putting a PIN on it when he gets home.

I feel so sad that he’s like this. I am so close to my siblings I can’t imagine being so vile just for the sake of it. There’ll be world war 3 now when he gets home and no doubt the silent treatment of me for days for allowing her on it. How to handle this? I’m at a loss.

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blueskiesandforests · 01/01/2019 20:24

*responded not responsibilities

worridmum · 01/01/2019 20:38

an Xbox is more personal then a phone. would you let your children use your personal pohne / laptop / Pc unsupiverised ? I think not a xbox can be used as massive means of communication as a phone there is no bloody difference.

OlennasWimple · 01/01/2019 21:08

it’s as though he’s finding the transition from school to the working world a bit of a struggle

Of course he is!

It's not what he really wanted in the first place. Few (none??) of his friends are dealing with this as well. Finding your way in a new job is difficult for anyone, never mind for a 17 yo. And on top of that he has an immature, bratty sister mithering him when he's home, and if he tells her to get lost she goes running to mummy and daddy and makes out that he's the villain.

Can you not see things from his point at all?

BoneyBackJefferson · 01/01/2019 21:20

beautifulrain

Really?

This is not just about an X-box, it has gone on for so long that the OP can't remember how it started.

Look at the difference in how the OP describes her children.

One is almost always wrong the other just about perfect.

Screams scapegoat and goldenchild to me.

Mirrivan posted She and her daughter practically set him up to be the bad guy here. sounds about right to me.

AllyPallyMally · 01/01/2019 21:45

I have read the more recent posts from OP and feel less antagonistic towards her now BUT I think that it is likely that DS has probably just seen some of his old school friends leave for university and even if he thinks that would not be the right path for him, he might well be feeling envious of their freedoms living away from home being able to come and go as they please without having parents or little sister interfering with their possessions and not having what seems like just a lifetime of work ahead of him. He should behave considerately to those with whom he lives but his family should respect he is an adult and is entitled to some freedom.

picklepost · 01/01/2019 21:55

OMG at some of the responses on here.

The boy is 18, his behaviour is OUTRAGEOUS. He is rude, entitled and shaping up nicely as an abusive partner for some poor soul.

I know it's easy to say and hard to do but I think you need to lay down the law about behavioural expectations. Consequences if these are not met.

I've just done this with my 16yo. It's been exhausting but what is the alternative? To let them poison the home with their appallingly behaviour? Not an option in my view.

Cattus · 01/01/2019 22:00

In the case of the Xbox, perhaps you shouldn’t have expected he’d share, as it is a private thing.
That aside, he sounds difficult. He doesn’t like pressure being put on him and is irritated by things he can’t control e.g. your expectations, having a sibling, doing revision.
Have a look at information about pathological demand avoidance (pda) in adults, not saying he’d be as extreme as some, but I bet you’d recognise a lot of what you read.

mikado1 · 02/01/2019 00:34

Sounds like a really difficult situation OP. However I don't think you can make them get on, only ensure that everyone is treated with respect.

Those saying xbox should have been shared, how would you feel if you left your personal iPad, say, with all your sm, logins etc on it, in your room and while out realised your child was on it, without first asking you? I'd definitely back him up on the right to his own things being his. Yes, encourage sharing etc but you can't force it and if you do it will backfire. I hope he comes through, sounds like he's not in a good place. I know so many guys that were idiots as teens that turned out absolutely lovely in the end.

ThatPeskyElf · 02/01/2019 00:42

Agree with picklepost- ds is acting terribly.

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