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To not know what to do about DS18 being vile to DD15

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Railwaychildren · 01/01/2019 14:49

DS 18 and DD 15 have never been close, I don’t know why, we’ve brought them up the same, tried to treat the both of them equally etc but DS just will not tolerate DD at all.
I can’t really remember when this started, DS was ok when he was little and she came along, being a boy and a girl they’ve always had separate interests and toys but they used to play together occasionally etc.
The last few years DS has become considerably worse towards DD. He will hardly look at her, won’t speak to her apart from maybe one word and will treat her with total disdain. He’s actually become like it to DH and I over the last year or so too.
He’s an intelligent, nice lad and he’s not been any trouble. He’s always felt he was the ‘top dog’ academically of the pair of them but he’s had a shock this last year as after flying his GCSEs he absolutely bombed his AS levels as he simply didn’t put any work in. He became disdainful of DH and I and wouldn’t listen, telling us we didn’t know what we were talking about etc. Well the proof was in the pudding when he failed last August. As we knew he wasn’t putting the work in and preferring to spend all his time online gaming we insisted he got a PT job to keep his car running (that we bought, paid for lessons and helped insure). This PT job then became the reason he failed his AS levels of course, it was our fault.
Luckily he was offered a brilliant apprenticeship in the summer and we more or less insisted he took it rather than waste time resitting his AS levels and bumming around - he had absolutely no plans to go to university so we felt that this was the best option for him. It’s a fantastic opportunity with a huge global company with brilliant prospects. He goes every day but won’t tell us what he’s doing and share anything abou it at all. He just grunts at us, spends time in his room gaming when he’s not in work or out in his car. It feels like he’s punishing us for something (probably as we got firm over the AS levels) but he has everything! A lovely home, stable family etc. He’s 18 and wants to be treated like an adult but he barely acts like one.

So, back to DD, she gets a bit upset that he’s so dismissive but however hard she tries to be kind to him he will not engage. Today, things have come to a head - we live semi rurally and DS has gone out in his car. DD is here and is bored so asked if she could go on his Xbox to be able to game with her friend. He text almost immediately to me to demand that she gets off it. I explained that she would be careful and that she wasn’t hurting, I asked him to be kind and allow her to play as we are a little cut off - it’s how he mostly talks to his friends! So surely he’d understand? No, she’s to get off it and he’s putting a PIN on it when he gets home.

I feel so sad that he’s like this. I am so close to my siblings I can’t imagine being so vile just for the sake of it. There’ll be world war 3 now when he gets home and no doubt the silent treatment of me for days for allowing her on it. How to handle this? I’m at a loss.

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indecisivepigeon · 01/01/2019 15:58

Good god some of the responses on here are fucking awful!!!

He’s a selfish boy and is treating his parents and sister like shit. Honestly a kick up the arse wouldn’t go a miss.....can’t wait to be flamed for that 😂😂😂😂😂😂

The posts on here are weird today. Earlier I saw some poor OP be flamed because she had a newborn baby and young child and had agreed to feed next door neighbour’s cat when the SIL wasn’t there...only he wouldn’t tell her when he wouldn’t be there...told her he’d be there and then not turn up and she got flamed for being a total horror 🤷🏻‍♀️😂

Take everything on here with a pinch of salt OP. There are some right oddballs kicking about.

You’ve tried to give your son the best and he’s acting like a spoilt child.

SillySallySingsSongs · 01/01/2019 15:59

Have you unilaterally allowed your 15 year old to sit in her 18 year old brother's room playing on his X box without asking him?

Is this typical of you not giving him any privacy and giving his younger sibling access to his space and possessions?

I did wonder this.

SillySallySingsSongs · 01/01/2019 16:01

Take everything on here with a pinch of salt OP. There are some right oddballs kicking about.

How dare everyone not think with a hive mind and have a vast variety of opinions, on an anonymous, open very big public forum.

I mean what are posters thinking. Hmm

Icantbelieveitsnotnutter · 01/01/2019 16:02

Is there any way to keep them apart more often, giving each other some spsce, boundaries, etc? Flowers

blueskiesandforests · 01/01/2019 16:03

titchy yes, I think you have it.

Strange coincidence that the teenage boy started being difficult at exactly the time his parents made a whole lot of life changing decisions for him against his wishes, and began micromanaging his life exactly at the point he needed to take responsibility for his own decisions and mistakes and be supported in making his own decisions about turning things around.

roundaboutthetown · 01/01/2019 16:04

It does sound like he's being a bit of a dick, but you seem to have taken an awful lot of control away from him. I know you think his apprenticeship is great, but what does he think of it? I know you thought forcing him to take a part-time job was a sensible idea, but what did he think of it? You seem to be making all his choices for him - even letting his sister use his xbox without speaking to him, first. If I were him, I'd be feeling very angry with you, tbh! You clearly very strongly believe his sister is angelic and he is the cause of everyone's problems.

blueskiesandforests · 01/01/2019 16:05

Oh the irony indecisivepigeon

ADastardlyThing · 01/01/2019 16:05

So you felt he wasn't putting the effort in so made him get a PT job (that may or may not have contributed to him failing them, and why do i get the feeling it was all "we told you so son")

You didn't want him wasting his time resitting them and made him take an apprenticeship (what did HE want?)

He is acting like a fairly normal teenager imo and IME

And you just allowed his younger sister to enter his private space and use his things?

He wants to be treated like an adult but you don't treat him like one as far as I can see

I might be wrong but I am getting the feeling your DD can do no wrong.

I simply can't imagine why he's being like this Hmm

AmICrazyorWhat2 · 01/01/2019 16:06

I haven’t brought them up to be like this to one another

Clearly, you have

No, you're wrong and unkind to say that. Siblings have fallen out since the dawn of time. You can't make siblings like each other or get on.

Exactly. I can't stand it when people blame the parents for absolutely everything - most of them are doing their best (and getting it wrong sometimes) and in this case, I don't think they're responsible for this 18 year old's vile behaviour towards his sister.

I agree you shouldn't have let DD use his XBox, but he's being an entitled brat and needs a wake-up call over his attitude towards all of you. If he can't be civil and respectful, why should you provide a home for him at 18?

My two are also 3 years apart (DD 13, DS 10) and it's a difficult age gap. DD doesn't want much to do with DS and thinks he's annoying. They do get on sometimes, though, and I would put my foot down if she was being as rude as your DS. It won't be pleasant, but I think you and your DH need to decide what you're going to say to him about his behaviour (and the consequences if it doesn't improve) and present a united front.

There'll probably be a massive row, but it's better to confront things now than let it carry on. Good luck, parenting is hard work! Flowers

footballmum · 01/01/2019 16:09

Sorry but have I missed something? Why has DD not got her own Xbox? And how does she normally communicate with her friends. Agree with PPs that to teens games consoles are sacrosanct. By allowing DD to use it without his permission is only going to increase DS’s resentment towards her and you.

winterpol · 01/01/2019 16:10

With Dogsmell here - no idea why responses to OP are so awful. OP sounds like a genuine and concerned parent, like many who post on MN and get the 'hate' responses.

Maybe your son wants to be "on his own" and would be happier? He sounds like he makes no contribution to his home and just plays on X box. But (understandably) OP not been back to be villified more by strangers!

Maybe he doesn't like his family (he doesn't have to) and would prefer to live elsewhere. Also, if he is making everyone else unhappy, equally thats also something that could be resolved by his leaving and finding a nice little set up (bedsit, studio, flatshare?) that suits him more?

roundaboutthetown · 01/01/2019 16:11

Why does your dd not have her own xbox, or a family xbox, by the way? Have you only just noticed you are a bit isolated where you live? And would your angelic dd not be fully aware that her db would not like her going on his xbox when he's not there to check what she's looking at? If she doesn't often play on it, there may be a lot she could mess up.

mcmooberry · 01/01/2019 16:12

This isn't just about the x box its about his whole unpleasant attitude towards his sister!! And I totally sympathise my DS could definitely be a whole lot kinder towards his younger sisters who are 4 years younger than him. No idea why people are being so outraged about her using the x box, plenty of families share games consoles.
Maybe it's their personalities and they won't ever get on, maybe they will be great friends in a few years but his behaviour needs to change. Unfortunately if I knew how I would be doing it myself but good luck OP!! xx

WaxOnFeckOff · 01/01/2019 16:14

I take it the xbox is in his bedroom? I don't think he wants her in his private space as much as not using the xbox per se. That's my view. I think we are all entitled to our private space and to have our own things.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't try to get to the root of what the problem is or deal with his attitude but I agree with a PP, you are focusing on the wrong thing here.

HollyandIvyarelivingitupagain · 01/01/2019 16:16

Ok.So agree with him that his room his buisness.This includes all laundry.
If he wants this then in return he is less rude to everyone in the house.If he would a chat about why he is so we unhappy might be an idea although I realise he may not engage
Also WiFi off at a reasonable time each night,keep the password to yourself.No financial handouts for anything,he needs to understand the value of things and that working is not for pocket money only.
Good luck,I know it's difficult but something has to change.

merrybloominchristmas · 01/01/2019 16:17

Bulls hit to games consoles being sacrosanct! !
Phones yes but not a bloody x box! My son's lives in the living room and we all use it. My teenage sons also share a bedroom and still manage to get on and be kind and pleasant to each other.

DontFindYourselfInMe · 01/01/2019 16:21

I have no advice OP, but this is a big fear of what will happen with my two kids. DS15 and DD8! My DD adores her brother but always has a sadness about it as she knows he seems to hate her. She's a normal little girl ffs and DS has zero tolerance for anything she says or does. It drives me insane as I am ride or die with my siblings and I am terrified they will grow up and then become complete strangers to one another.

Thewifipasswordis · 01/01/2019 16:21

Maybe treat him like an adult and he'll act like one.

That includes not letting his little sister use his things.

I'm pretty certain your teenage daughter has a mobile so she can talk to her friends on that.

If she wants to game with them then get her an xbox or make her save up for one.

ShalomJackie · 01/01/2019 16:24

I agree with some other posters how does your seemingly perfect DD usually communicate with her friends from your isolated home? Why was it suddenly now that she needed to use her brother's X box.

Perhaps the DS has had his self esteem smashed. It should not have been your choice whether he retook AS levels on did the apprenticeship you insisted he should. Perhaps his attitude towards you and the golden child of the family is because he feels marginalised

There is a far bigger probelm than a 17/18 year old not lending his sister his personal item.

billybagpuss · 01/01/2019 16:24

Has he come home yet?

I think you should maybe apologise for the X-box incident, although I don't disagree with you, but have a proper conversation about his attitude (for the love of God don't word it like that though or he'll go straight into defensive mode and you're in for a horrid night)

Gth1234 · 01/01/2019 16:24

You haven't gone wrong. Kid's aren't possessions. They have free will, and they are all different. Some do make wrong choices.

Maybe he's jealous of your DD. Maybe he struggles in his personal relationships, and she doesn't, so he takes it out of her in spiteful ways.

Bloomburger · 01/01/2019 16:29

There are rules in our house how you communicate and interact, if you don't want to follow those rules and make the atmosphere a nice one you can at 18 move out and live somewhere else where you being a miserable rude shit doesn't affect me or for those under 18 live with no mobile phone or WiFi code.

Sit him down tell him he can behave as he wants when it's his house but it's not and he needs to buck up his ideas.

As for the PS, I expect people in this house to share as it's the decent nice thing to do and if not I stop sharing, WiFi codes, my cash for mobile phones, lifts, food etc etc

SirVixofVixHall · 01/01/2019 16:30

If my dh refused to let me use something of his while he was out, then he would pretty swiftly not be my dh any longer ! Surely families share things they aren’t using ? I could understand it if she was careless etc, but that isnt the case. If my older dc refused to share some item she wasn’t using, then i would point out all the times she borrows my mascara/nice tights etc.
I don’t understand the “sacrosanct” thing either. It is a game thing, not his private diary.

Witchend · 01/01/2019 16:33

Hmm.
This does remind me of me and my brother. My parents did seem to have the attitude that anything I had of course he could use, but he couldn't be expected to share. I suspect he feels similarly.

Things would go: I got something he didn't have for birthday/Christmas. If I showed I was pleased within a short time he'd be wanting one.
Either he'd then get one just like that. (Usually unsubtly phased as dm wanted one so got one and then just "let him" use it-ie dm would never use it) or I'd be pressurised into letting him "borrow" I, and if it came back it would be damaged and if I complained I would be told I was selfish.

I was never allowed to borrow things off him.

I also sometimes arrived home to find something I prized and used had been deemed too young for me, and it had been altered and given for him.

However the parents' view was:

  1. I never asked to use his things (I stopped asking at a fairly young age because I was never allowed)
  2. It wasn't fair if I had nice things and wouldn't share them (older dsis was never expected to share hers with me)
  3. They weren't strictly speaking his (when dm bought them for "herself") so it didn't count. (I did point this out when dm wanted to use something that had been bought in this category and he had a massive strop and hid it)
  4. I had money to get things he didn't have (I had a weekend job. He could have done the same job and was offered, and refused)
  5. If it wasn't damaged to the point of not working, why did it matter? I had a few things I kept in almost pristine condition for a couple of year, "borrowed" by him for a few hours and spoilt.

It was this attitude that I owed him, and he could do what he wanted that spoilt our relationship.

OlennasWimple · 01/01/2019 16:33

I can only assume that pp who are saying "it's only an xbox" don't have a teenager with an xbox

You really shouldn't have let DD do that, especially if it was in his room FFS

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