that it has just hit me that this time next year I wont be an EU citizen

[garethsouthgatesmrs]

I know it's yet another brexit thread but it genuinely just hit me that it's actually happening THIS YEAR! I am truly gutted. Would love someone with political knowledge to come on and reassure me that it actually won't be that bad. I have 3 children who have to live with the repercussions.

buble is on jules holland-this has to be a good sign

I agree totally op, except that I'm surprised it's taken you this long to realise it. I don't understand what exactly people hope to gain from this.

A lot of the pro-Brexit 'debate', if it deserves that term, has centred around the disaster that is British internal politics and society. But the EU isn't anything to do with that, it's about foreign policy. And in foreign policy terms we've just ditched a load of allies for a bunch of potentially unfriendly rivals. Absolutely crazy.

I feel sad for my parents (Mum died last Jan). Its probably a sentimental view but both lived through the war and mums house was bombed to bits. They both feel/felt that leaving The EU was a mistake and we are better together.

Why and I angry?

Because the UK will be poorer after Brexit by absolutely everyone’s reckoning including the high priest of Brexit (and disaster capitalist) Jacob Rees Mogg.

I've just started an OU course, if the UK was to remain I could have taken the equivalent course from a Swedish university, but without paying a penny.
Paid for by Swedish tax payers, surely? I can only imagine the righteous outcry if anyone non-British started suggesting that they can get anything from UK public institutions "without paying a penny".

@ShitOnItt You are absolutely awful. Old dead people don't count?

They were the generation that lived the war. They are the ones that really struggled.
They still count. They are the ones that paid the real price of war.
You should be ashamed of yourself

@silvercuckoo I wonder if this marvellous course it in Swedish?

Since when British people are EU citizens?

Since 1992.

Bluejag wtf are you taking about? People in their seventies were either young children during the war or birn just after

Born not birn

@Bluejag bit harsh...

I am fairly sure my dead grandpa doesn’t actually care about leaving the EU anymore... given that he’s dead

Hoorah! I can't wait.

Also I didn’t say old and dead. Just dead. Obviously old people count

There are sufficient now 18 yr olds who never got a say, and the vast majority of those voters voted Remain.

You do realise people don’t remain static in age, right? If “older” people voted leave and there are now 18 year olds that can vote, then by your (unconvincing) logic there are millions that have aged and have now shifted to Leave.

But of course, it’s a ridiculous argument that shouldn’t be entertained.

I think Leave would get higher in another vote personally.

There's a corner of my mind that refuses to believe it will happen. Another one hoping for a miracle.

And the change of opinion in older age is ludicrous. I'm 65. If I live to be 95 I'll still be a remainer.

SilverySurfer, give us a real positive, to lighten the mood.

One which will be a real benefit to those outside of London and on the bottom rungs of our Society, would be good. Many are moving onto UC and we need a bit of good News.

We were on holiday in Spain in the summer and went to the little local museum. There was a small entry fee of 4 euros. The guy at the desk asked us where we came from. Thinking he was just being chatty I said, the UK. He said: 'On Mondays admittance is free to EU citizens' and waved us through. It then hit me - this time next year we won't be EU citizens! It just somehow became real.

Silvery - “Hooray” you say. Would you be able to explain why? One single benefit will do, in practical terms. For anyone?
(please don’t just say “sovereignty” though). Something real - please???

I'm another hoping it won't happen

MakeAHouseAHome, could you give us some real positivity, about leaving. I asked the same of SilverySurfer.

Not to be goady, it would be nice, on the first day of the New Year.

Yes come on Silvery, cheer us all up and tell us what the benefit is

I could do with some good news. Apparently my area are being shifted on to UC this year. I'm praying it doesn't coincide with leaving the EU without a deal.

"My dad and my in laws all voted to leave because they didn’t understand globalisation."

Many I spoke to had no knowledge of the UN, or any of the conventions, treaties etc. They thought we went back to having no outside responsibilities, or duties. It was a revelation to them that we'd still have to take refugees and get involved in any conflicts .

I obtained a visa to live here as I came from a non EU country to the UK. I then became a citizen at first opportunity, ostensibly as it would give me not only the right to remain here but the right to go and live elsewhere when the urge or circumstance allowed.

I have three degrees and Mensa membership and the process baffled me and cost me way more than it should.

Those 'ah visas will be ok' clearly have never tried to get one nor tried to employ someone that needs one.

The country I came to in 2005 was an open and welcoming country where anyone could be anything they wanted.

Now we are bitter that we have fucked up so badly in large areas of major public policy and blaming immigrants as opposed to just fixing it.

Brexit is the biggest con that has been paraded to the British people in my lifetime. Things may not get worse, but things on a national scale won't either. We've just all had our freedom of movement removed from us.