that it has just hit me that this time next year I wont be an EU citizen

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I know it's yet another brexit thread but it genuinely just hit me that it's actually happening THIS YEAR! I am truly gutted. Would love someone with political knowledge to come on and reassure me that it actually won't be that bad. I have 3 children who have to live with the repercussions.

buble is on jules holland-this has to be a good sign

Have you looked into the repercussions for your children? Is their father uk British?
I learnt recently that children of EU migrants might need to pay significantly for ILR after brexit. I also learnt that nobody really knows anything for sure. Literally nobody knows what's going to actually happen.

'Obtaining visas is not hard'

Oh dear.

Fantastic.

@racecardriver, I am pretty sure from your posts that you are well educated and have a very good job so yes for people who have high skills they may still be able to get a work visa. However, that is only small percentage, many UK citizens will find it a lot harder to work or retire in the EU.

@togandsandals I’m an undergrad. I have no qualifications. I pick up admin work on the side as a sole trader. Its really really not hard.

How are you financing your studies @racecardriver? Your posts on here have made it clear you come from a privileged background with opportunities many don’t have.

It’s not expecting much for people to put a bit of thought and effort into moving to another country. It’s hardly restrictive

Also @racecardiver if you studying in the EU I presume you are living here on a study visa. It is a fact getting a work visa when there is no F of M is v hard for most.

I must be in the minority but I don’t classify myself as an EU citizen. I classify myself as a British citizen. I’m not originally British, been living here 28 years, citizen for about 15 years. Paid a lot of money in visa fees, tonnes of paperwork and visits to embassy and home office interviews for it too. Spent thousands on citizenship application, test, checking service, passport fees etc but don’t begrudge that at all to have British citizenship. I’m very happy to be British.

Can’t wait

@togasandsandals paying out of pocket. I paid my first year out of a tiny i here tante when my mother died prematurely of complications arising from liver failure which was the result of life long alcoholism. The first of the second year my home stand barely managed to pay for me. Not sure how I’m paying next semesters fees. I’ll find the money somewhere.. I always do. I grew up in an Australian backwater with heavily indebted migrants working for tuppence parents. My ‘privilege’ in life has been being born in a prosperous, free country to a loving father. The rest was work and risk taking. I know that a lot of people on here like to attribute success to privilege but no amount of privilege compensates for a lack of effort and the vast majority of adversity can be overcome with by he right mindset. I appreciate that you want to hold on the the easy privilege that EU status brings but honestly it really doesn’t give you anything. If an individual is weak then they won’t really benefit from moving abroad, or indeed anything, and if an individual is strong and able then they will be able to do so if they want to regardless. Toughen up.

We're still part of Europe, just won't be part of EU. Wonder which country will choose to leave next?

Currently on a spouse visa. The original visa I came in on was a two year work and residency visa (can’t remrmber the name). I just filled in a form and traveled to my nearest co dilate for biometric registration.

I’m not an EU citizen. Has zero impact on my life.
I am an EU citizen. Brexit has already had significant impact on my life. And not in a good way.

@racecardriver, your other posts said a few generations before you went to university so different story to what you are sharing now. Unless of course I am mixing you up with someone else.

Also the EU is 27 countries. A quick google shows that a non EU citizen on a student visa here in the UK is not allowed to set up a business or be a sole trader. So one can only presume that is the case for some other EU countries. Indeed this EU site confirms that:

“One of the most important things to know is the fact that each European country has its own unique rules and laws regarding foreigners from outside the EU who want to set up a business. Although the European Union has a joint immigration policy, known as the Schengen agreement, there are as many different laws relating to working and setting up a business as there are member countries. Some countries make it fairly easy to obtain a residency permit and open a business, while others make it virtually impossible for non-Europeans to establish residency and start a business.”

www.transitionsabroad.com/listings/work/careers/articles/starting-business-in-europe-financial-legal-visa.shtml

I would also be very interested to know which EU country gave you a 2 year zwork and residency visa with no qualifications or money.

I have read your posts and know you subscribe to a very right wing views and think everyone has a level playing field and can make it worth grit and hard work. I disagree.

If you are so desperate to live/ work/retire in a different country, go through the process and become a citizen of your chosen country.
If Britain isn't good enough, why worry about being British. Go where you choose, just like millions of other people have.
Oh wait, you want to have the cake and eat it by being able to come back when the grass isn't greener on the other side...

I'm British and not proud of it. No way of getting another passport and I hate what is going on. I don't want Brexit to happen. It's a fucking mess, the UK is a mess politically. All this time and money wasted on something which should never have happened. I'm concerned for what the future holds.

@pombear, as said ad nauseam getting a work visa in many non EU countries has many obstacles. For example, I can’t suddenly decide I want to live and work in the US unless highly skilled or very wealthy.

Also living and working in a foreign country for a few years can be a rich and rewarding experience - to have that possibility vastly reduced is very sad. The desire to live or study abroad is not some indictment on the UK, sad you take it that way.

Also with F of M denied for UK citizens when we leave, companies in the EU will much more likely employ a fellow EU citizen where they don’t have the hassle of having to obtain a work visa for them. Why anyone would want opportunities to decrease for their fellow UK citizens is beyond me.

Tbf Europe is never a cheap gap year. Better value for money going further afield.

you want to have the cake and eat it by being able to come back when the grass isn't greener on the other side...

Well yes. That is the point. Just like I've lived in a load of UK cities because I fancied it. And EU countries because I fancied it. Why not?

And racecar you're on a spouse visa saying visas are easy? Come on. Seriously? I moved country on a spouse visa and it's very different to skilled worker or anything else.

Oh for gods sake grow up. I probably have more complications than most with various properties in different countries but just wait and see. IF we actually end up leaving it will not be the end of the world and in the long run may be for the best.

@ragged Why can’t your DD work her way across Europe anymore?

Another opportunity our children won't have: falling in love with a person from within the EU and being confident of their freedom to live with them in Britain. Spousal visas - previously unecesessary for EU partners - are appallingly conditional on income.

Since when British people are EU citizens?

Get a visa? You're British - you don't have some 'right' to the whole of Europe.