that it has just hit me that this time next year I wont be an EU citizen

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I know it's yet another brexit thread but it genuinely just hit me that it's actually happening THIS YEAR! I am truly gutted. Would love someone with political knowledge to come on and reassure me that it actually won't be that bad. I have 3 children who have to live with the repercussions.

buble is on jules holland-this has to be a good sign

Can you explain why it’s stupid?

Perhaps there is a clue in the words "don't know" and "gamble". This is basically the Darwin awards on the scale of an economy.

@hawkinspace, I know it boggles the mind why a UK citizen living in Spain would vote for Brexit. As said, I am sure they will get some kind of agreement to stay there but will be much harder for anyone wanting to move their after 2020. I imagine you will need a lot of assets if you want to retire after 2020. Also I presume they may need to pay out for private healthcare and of course the pound’s value keeps going down.

This is the short video if you are interested. I appreciate not all UK citizens who live in the EU have their mentality (my cousin has lived in Barcelona for 14 years fully integrated).

*typo, there, not their!

Perhaps some people don’t actually know. They can’t predict the future, after all. But some folks may remember life before the EU - may even have voted back in the 70’s, and not been happy with the direction the UK has taken. Therefore they’re willing to take a gamble, they’re willing to take the risk. They don’t know what’ll happen, they don’t think it will be easy, but they think the negatives have outweighed the positives

They liked the 70s and want to leave the Eu and hope to go back to the 70s? Is that the ‘thinking’ here? There’s no description of what they actually liked, what they object to now, what they want- as usual it’s just meaningless word soup.

Each time some one mentions the glorious 70's I like to mention the amazing photographer Nick Hedges who documented the 60s and 1970s. Google him or here's a link.

stories.shelter.org.uk/make-life-worth-living/

My place of work is already losing major contracts, unable to bid for grants, new hot recruits choosing not to take up their posts because of Brexit. "Dynamic global player", my arse. We are totally shooting ourselves in the foot for no sound economic or political reason. It's so sad.

Don't know what that says about Wales, Scotland, NI. But the sentiment prevails I think.

I remember visiting family and they lived in a slum and had an outside toilet! Ah happy memories.

Being told there is no point working at school if I was going to be a hair dresser.

The Vesta curry reference was me trying to find the positive bits of the 70s.

@Togaandsandals
V interesting, tx for posting the clip. They weren’t as vociferously pro-Brexit as I thought. The first speaker in the orange red top is pure xenophobic though! A sad bit where someone younger described how families would be split up if the younger ones had to return to Britain. Yet if they voted Brexit they’ve had a hand in the distress facing non-Brit EU people some who fear having to do just that. A funny expat life but I suppose they were doing no harm unless they voted Brexit and helped bring distress to our rEU friends here. At least seeing the film helps to ground the remarks in reality.

They liked the 70s and want to leave the Eu and hope to go back to the 70s?

No. That isn’t what I wrote. Are you deliberately misunderstanding me?

@hawkinspace, I did a quick google and under May’s withdrawal agreement UK pensioners in Spain will keep their recipocral healthcare rights. However, if a No Deal happens they will not. Also of course they have still voted for UK pensioners who may have wished to move Spain from 2020 no longer getting reciprocal healthcare. As said, I suspect it will only be wealthy UK pensioners who can emigrate to Spain from 2020. I think it’s really selfish for UK pensioners expats in Spain to have enjoyed the benefits and then vote for people in the future to not get the same benefits.

*that should be above, UK pensioners in the Spain who are there currently or Who move there by 2020 will keep their reciprocal healthcare benefits under May’s deal.

@Hawkinspace, am glad the video gave you a fuller picture. The views of the first man interviewed xenophobic. I just noted those who voted for Brexit in their expat community there but you are right I don’t think every one said they voted for Brexit. I was just incredulous some of them did. I feel for those who didn’t and any ensuing problems post Brexit.

and yes those who voted Brexit gave no thought to the consequences of EU citizens currently living in the UK either

UK pensioners in the Spain

This makes me a very bad person, but AFAIK one small bright spot in the no-deal gloom would be leave-voting expats losing their healthcare.

@Togaandsandals
That’s good having a summary of the expat situation under alternative deals (albeit best is still remain in my view).

@Hawkinspace, I watched the video again and the young woman working in the flower shop (perhaps owner?) and who had lived there for I think 17 years said if after Brexit they had to apply for Spanish citizenship after Brexit to stay (think May’s deal will allow them to apply for permanent residence and not have to get citizenship. Spanish law doesn’t allow dual citizenship) then it will actually be some of th the parents and grandparents who might not get it as they dont speak Spanish. Presume naturalisation, reasonably, requires proficiency in the language.

@Hawkinspace, agree Remain is best

@Togaandsandals
True there were various situations. The young man in a bar who wouldn’t want to go back. But the one talking about family break-up was the one you mention.,it’s like rEU people here, all ages and backgrounds affected by the uncertainty. I get upset thinking about it.

and of course in my first posts on this page I was talking about possibility of UK expats in Spain keeping healthcare rights for pensioners who are currently there and move there until 2020 if May deal goes ahead. It still remains any UK citizens who wish not only to retire there but also work there post 2020 under May’s deal will find it much harder post Brexit as they will need to meet stricter work or retirement criteria.

@Hawkinspace, I understand the uncertainity for current EU migrants here to the UK and from the UK to other EU countries is upsetting. And of course post Brexit the opportunities that currently exist will be vast reduced which I think is sad.

Perhaps some people don’t actually know. They can’t predict the future, after all. But some folks may remember life before the EU - may even have voted back in the 70’s, and not been happy with the direction the UK has taken. Therefore they’re willing to take a gamble, they’re willing to take the risk. They don’t know what’ll happen, they don’t think it will be easy, but they think the negatives have outweighed the positives

I’m not deliberately misunderstanding you, no. I just don’t understand what people with these ideas are expecting or hoping to get out of Brexit - they realise it’s not a time-machine presumably.

Those who voted Brexit gave no thought to the consequences of EU citizens currently living in the UK either

Why should they?

Because when some of us vote we think about what is best for the country, the people and future generations.

Not all of us vote for selfish reasons.

@Moussemoose
You put it so well.