that it has just hit me that this time next year I wont be an EU citizen

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I know it's yet another brexit thread but it genuinely just hit me that it's actually happening THIS YEAR! I am truly gutted. Would love someone with political knowledge to come on and reassure me that it actually won't be that bad. I have 3 children who have to live with the repercussions.

buble is on jules holland-this has to be a good sign

No wonder they don’t want to engage.
Oh come on, they're not snowflakes, are they?

So not wanting to interact with someone who's calling you "thick as pigshit" makes you a snowflake? Ok. Personally I think it makes you someone who'd prefer to use their time more constructively than opening yourself up to abuse from strangers on an anonymous internet forum.

Britain is a post industrial society ... We don’t make stuff any more

Actually, we do.

Manufacturing accounts for 45% of the UK’s exports (£275 billion) and the UK is the 9th largest manufacturing nation by output in the world.

And that's partly the trouble with these threads - people stating untruths as if they're facts when really they don't have a clue what they're talking about - on BOTH sides.

And it’s an inconvenient truth that racism has risen in the wake of Brexit and that Brexit was supported by racist groups and campaign used racist imagery. Oh well.

So those of us who have been saying it hasn't ever gone away should just shut up.

Your oh well comment says it all.

So those of us for who racism has been an ongoing issue should just just now be grateful that others can see it? Wow.

Where were you all when my DS was spat at or when we have had anti semetic sentiments shouted at us or when some friends had grafitti sprawled on their walls?

Yes there is a rise in racism but to say it didn't exist before or it wasn't much so it doesn't count is naive at best and wilfully ignorant at worse.

Not that it should natter in the slightest but my family all voted remain.

dongdingdong
You can blank individual rude posters but if that puts you off debating altogether then I think that's pretty weak, yes. Name calling is wrong and it's also found on both sides. In the grand scheme of things it's not important. What's important is for both sides to keep engaging with each other, not go off sulking in a corner.

I try very hard not to insult / call names / swear

but I do find it very tiring when Brexit supporters come out with platitudes and sound bites
and then make no attempt to back them up with anything resembling a fact

If you do not know what you want from Brexit
how will you measure its success?

And it’s an inconvenient truth that racism has risen in the wake of Brexit and that Brexit was supported by racist groups and campaign used racist imagery. Oh well

Where does it say racism didn’t exist before? Where?

Who said racism didn’t exist before?
Who said it was acceptable?

Racists get braver when they think they have company. It's fairly simple. Farage & co got so much adulation and airtime from the Beeb & others, it's hardly surprising that racist incidents increased.

Racism started rising when the UK got a Home Secretary who decided to create a "hostile environment" in 2010

True. There are a number of contributing factors, but the end result is kinda shitty for those Britons who don't look like Downton fucking Abbey.

Racism has always been present. However, it was becoming a dirty secret, something to be ashamed of. Something whispered between like minded individuals.

As a white British person I have been subject to the subtle questioning to see if I am 'one of them' or 'one of us'. For the last 15 - 20 years this has been becoming more and more covert.

Brexit has smashed this wide open. Brexit has opened the box and allowed people to say loudly and publicly what they would have kept to themselves. This debate that "we need to have" is just an excuse for racism.

Quietrebel
Had my grandparents, parents and myself been EU citizens when I was born I might have felt differently. As it is we were not, so we are not losing anything when we leave the EU and am quite happy being a British citizen, cause you know I was born British.

Very few people are asked if they want to be something
Then I guess you won't be supporting a 2nd referendum? Cause you know its not like people should be asked if they want something.

A divided Kingdom instead of a United Kingdom beckons now. IMV of course.

The polarisation of views is just so bitter from both sides of the argument.

And I do agree that the racist genie has now been let out of the bottle. Despite legislation against racism, I am getting a feeling that some people feel emboldened to be, well just racist.

Terribly sad time to be in the DK sorry the UK.

Dongdingdong

And that's partly the trouble with these threads - people stating untruths as if they're facts when really they don't have a clue what they're talking about - on BOTH sides.

I may have misunderstood what you’re getting at, but those figures are from the EEF (formerly known as the Engineering Employers Federation) using data from the ONS, WTO, HMRC, World Bank and UN.

Hahaha wow get a grip of yourself ffs

The worst thing about this thread is people blithely stating that it doesn't affect them either way. Well, guess what? It DOES effect my EU/UK family and hundreds of thousands of others - both financially and emotionally. A bit of compassion instead of gloating wouldn't go amiss.

@recently,

I am very afraid for you and people like you. I don't blame you feeling vulnerable and angry, it is all so unnecessary really.

It is just so awful that it has come to this. I certainly do not want anyone to be affected negatively at all. But I don't know what will happen, and I doubt the Government know either.

TotesEmoshTerri
Remember many even most MPs are anti-brexit but their views are treated as secondary to those of their party leader. That’s why there’s such a lot of pressure for Jeremy Corbyn to get behind the People’s Vote. Irritating for smaller parties such as Greens, Lib Dem’s or my own, @RenewParty which are plugging away steadily calling for a People’s Vote but unless and until Labour join in their numbers don’t stack up against the government’s.

The options are the same. Either Tory or Labour. Both want Brexit.

Is that called a dictatorship now?

I may have misunderstood what you’re getting at, but those figures are from the EEF (formerly known as the Engineering Employers Federation) using data from the ONS, WTO, HMRC, World Bank and UN.

Sorry @Buteo - I meant that the poster you replied to (who said Britain doesn't make anything anymore) was misinformed, not you. My post wasn't particularly clear!

I 'm alright jack attitude there walking dead whatever ! Typically myopic because he/she has obviously shut his/her eyes to the coming shitstorm that obviously won't effect them or so they blithely think....

You can blank individual rude posters but if that puts you off debating altogether then I think that's pretty weak, yes.

But there's no point wasting time "debating" with those types of posters, as from what I've seen on this thread and others, they're simply incapable of rational discussion. Therefore I don't bother. I agree that it's important for both sides to keep engaging, but that's not going to be achieved if some posters (and from what I've seen, it is largely remainers) insist on hurling abuse at those who don't agree with them and working themselves up into a state of hysteria.

Funnily enough none of the leavers on here are the slightest bit worried about the potential bonfire of rights and regulations that will undoubtedly ensue once we've left - the ones relating to the environment, health and safety, food standards, employment. The high priests of brexit aren't bothered about equality and fairness or the average person, they're free trade extremists whose main concern is profit whatever the costs. Read Britannia unchained by Dominic Raab, Priti Patel at al and you'll soon see.
I think a lot of this 'bring it on ' attitude is just bravado to be honest and pretty tiresome considering the gravity of the situation

The value of our home has fallen by £300k in the last 2 months. This is in the London Borough of Richmond-Upon-Thames which has not seen house price falls in the 16 years since I’ve lived here. It’s unprecedented.

I sympathise, as I do think it's a worrying time for anyone with a mortgage (myself included). However, I'd wager that using your house in Richmond-upon-Thames dropping by £300K as an example of why Brexit should be stopped isn't going to get you much sympathy from the average man in the street. Most people's houses aren't even worth £300K in total!

Dongdingdong I think because services make up such a large proportion of the UK economy (and people then forget that a large proportion of those services are consumed domestically, such as retail), the importance of manufacturing gets hugely overlooked.