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To ask if it is really THAT hard to have kids?

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zebra1304 · 29/12/2018 13:01

Spending Christmas with my partner's family. We don't have kids but I worked years in child care. Not saying it is the same but I do have some idea of things. Day 7 here... and all I can hear is how bloody difficult/expensive/tiring etc etc to have kids. Is it really that hard? If so why people keep having them ? I mean why don't they stop after 1 or 2.

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LondonJax · 29/12/2018 14:41

You've also got to allow for the fact that, reading between the lines, there are more than one set of parents at the house?

When my DS was younger and I used to go to the parent and baby/toddler clubs you'd hear people comparing sleep, toilet training, cost of clothes, lack of 'me' time. It's empathising, it's comparing, it's figuring out that everyone feels like this sometimes or all the time. It's checking that it's 'not just you' who is going through this, that you're not a bad mum or dad for feeling like that.

Now, when I get together with parents of children similar in age to my DS it's often a conversation about schools, hobbies, bullies, how much TV/gadget time it's 'right' to give a child, how to deal with the pre-teenage tantrums, how to keep them safe from harm when they become independent. To people who don't have children or whose kids are before or after that stage it looks like we're moaning. We're not. We're verbally back patting - 'we know, we've done that, we've seen that, we've been through that'.

I'm guessing it'll be what job/college/university conversations next, along with the serious girlfriend/boyfriend staying over, weddings, babies, spoiling the grandchildren and getting along or not with your DC's in laws!

The concerns, the comparisons, the 'am I thinking/doing the right thing' never stops. My mum worries about me getting home safe if I visit her on a wet or dark day - she's in a care home and I'm in my fifties! She's my mum and she'll worry about my life until the day she dies. That's the difference between being a parent and being paid to care for children. Even though you worked 60 hours a week I doubt you laid awake at night worrying that the DC was being bullied, is bullying, looking tired, didn't have friends, has the wrong friends, wet the bed, is eating too much, not eating enough or all the millions of things that keep parents awake at night sometimes. That continues through the child's life.

Your partner's family are just in a rut of conversation. It's like some brides to be get fixated on the wedding or people who are planning a big holiday can't stop talking about it.

My friends who, like me, have family with dementia, talk about the hardship of that over a coffee. We're not expecting answers, we just want to rant about the unfairness of it all.

And why do 'these people' decide to have second or third children? Because sometimes the first child is an angel to care for and the next is harder. Because they enjoy the early years. Because they could afford two, three or four children until x lost their job this year. Because they want their child to have a sibling. Because they had an 'accident' and became pregnant again. Because they love kids (but hate the hard work some times).

Merrydoula · 29/12/2018 14:42

The only thing I'm finding hard as a first time mum is the lack of sleep, baby is 6 weeks old. However, apart from this everything else is quite easy, I'm sure each stage of a child's life presents different challenges, but if you want kids then you'd be willing to go through the journey.

Merryoldgoat · 29/12/2018 14:46

Merrydoula

I’m sure you appreciate that YOUR experience of the first 6 weeks isn’t THE experience though, aren’t you?

Momo18 · 29/12/2018 14:48

Yes it is hard. One can be easy, depending on temperament and health issues but 3+ is hard work at Christmas and most times tbh. It's the constant nagging, arguing, sleepless nights, pressure over Christmas and wrapping etc. I was up 5am Xmas morning, three hours sleep and three hyper kids. Baby sat on my knee as I ate Xmas dinner, ideas exhausted and it was anything but magical. It depends on support too, I've never had a day off in the past two years.

MiniMum97 · 29/12/2018 14:50

Because from the minute you have them it's just guilt and worry (with the odd bit of joy thrown in). You don't get that from looking after kids that's just something parents experience. Plus the relentlessness if it as others have said. It's very different doing something 9-5 than doing it 24/7. And kids are VERY expensive. I have one at uni and he's costing a fortune. Love him but glad I only have one.

FuzzyShadowChatter · 29/12/2018 14:50

I think if, like often happens in the holiday season, you are stuck with people you have little in common with other than having kids, kids and the issues with them tends to be a main part of conversation.

It doesn't mean those parents would be ranting about the expenses and issues otherwise for days at end, it means you're stuck in a conversation loop as the people involved have little else they want to talk about with each other or around you. It's like discussing the weather or how the council has screwed up this time, that kids are hard and expensive is a pretty safe topics even with in-laws or with other parents while waiting for pick-up.

As a non-parenting example, there is one guy I know who pretty much only discusses what shows or movies he's seen and recommending this or that to people. He does a lot more than that with closer friends, but that's his safe topic for not so close company and as we're not close, that's the vast majority of what I see of him. It can drive me mad at times as his opinion is the last I trust on media and I and others have made jokes with him about creating a 'doctor who' or 'marvel' jar, but I can get that even though we've known each other years, we really have no desire to discuss anything deeper with each other so that is a go-to safe topic.

I can choose to go with it, get annoyed about it, try to find new safe topics with the knowledge that will likely fail, or spend less time with him. I can't change that that is a topic that feels safe and comfortable to him without being an utter asshole about it.

Mummyshark2018 · 29/12/2018 14:51

OP there are so many variables I think which contribute to the experience if being a parent. The list is endless but imo:
-personality, temperament, mental well-being of parents
-relationship stability of parents (whether they're together or not)
-the number of children
-temperament of child
-any additional needs /SEN
-financial stability (and job satisfaction)
-both parents doing an equal share
-support network around them
Etc, etc....

IME I have found being a parent 90% a joy. But I only have 1 (primary school age) and a dog (more work than the child sometimes!). My DH does his fair share, we can afford nice things and holidays etc. Would've liked more but fertility issues mean it's unlikely to happen. I also think that my life would be immeasurably harder with two and then perhaps I would moan a lot.

notangelinajolie · 29/12/2018 14:53

I didn't find babies and children hard at all. Given that mumsnet is the place for advice and general sorting out of problems it appears that everyone has a problem. I don't think this is the case and I believe that the majority of parents are fairly happy with their lot.

LynetteScavo · 29/12/2018 14:53

I was a full time nanny doing 60 hours a week, loads of overnight stays and looked after kids with special needs. Not 9-5

Yep, me to.

Being a parent is a totally different thing. You can never walk away, even if you want to. There is no resigning from the job or having a weekend off. Even when you're not with your child you're worrying about them.

Children don't cost a lot, but keeping up with society does. If you want your kids to have trendy clothes and the same games as their friends it's bloody expensive.

People keep having more kids because the plus side is bloody amazing. Watching your own child grow and develop and love you is even better than with other people's children.

Some parents go on and on about how incredibly fantastic their kids are (because over all people do, deep down, think their own kids are pretty ace, even if they're grumbling). Someone somewhere is boarded to death if spending the last few days hearing about how amazing their relatives DC are.

I think you just have a moany family.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 29/12/2018 14:54

I think it CAN be "that hard" but the thing is you simply DO NOT KNOW how hard it will be until you actually have children.

For some people, it will be easier than they feared - for others it will be far far harder than they ever anticipated.

You cannot know.

So it's far too simplistic to think you can plan ahead easily - granted, you can take into account finances but you can't assume financial stability because Life happens - people lose jobs, people have accidents, other disasters occur - nothing is set in stone and planning cannot cover every eventuality.

And that's all without taking into account any SN the child(ren) may have - physical, emotional, neurological, or anything else.

But true - some people do just like to moan too and, while I can see you might find it annoying, bear in mind that, even though you have done nannying work, the difference is that you could always walk away - whereas their parents, if of sound mind and character, usually can't just walk away.
Children are for life and however much you love them, sometimes that can be truly overwhelming in a way that you may never have expected! It's all just so endless - and I love my boys to bits and have very few problems with them, but still some days I feel overwhelmed by it all.

WrithingHomeForChristmas · 29/12/2018 14:57

It's exhausting and relentless. If you're ill or tired you can't take a day off (& you're often tired if they're bad sleepers lile mine). You have to think of them in everything you do, no matter how small. Then there's the responsibility... worrying that you've messed them up and dont deserve kids cos you let then watch tv for hours when you were exhausted or shouted at them when they were noisy and you had a migraine. When young they are pre-empathy and thus don't consider your needs at all, this gets pretty wearing.

Disclaimer: I love my kids but not their sleeping patterns.

HaudYerWheestHen · 29/12/2018 14:57

I have an 11 year old, 9 year old and a 6 year old.
It is difficult in the way of your life is completely different and everything is centred around children or the family as a whole but child rearing? For me it's been easy. I love it.
I am a strict mum. What I say goes and I don't allow small bad behaviours (eg. silly things like messing around at a dinner table that many other parents shrug off).
Because I have raised them like this from day 1 (which admittedly takes work) we don't really have the big stuff where we get stressed out or worse, the children stress other people out.
It's expected in our house for a child to take their plate into the kitchen and scrape it, or to go pick up their toys when we tell them to.
We have strong boundaries of acceptable behaviour and the children know what's expected of them and so it's a loud, happy house full of laughter and fun. I hate when children run the show and parents run around looking frazzled begging their kids not to do this or that. Don't ask them, tell them!

It is hard but in a lot of the cases I'm close to, it's lack of discipline from the start.

It's certainly expensive but only as expensive as you make it. Fresh food can be cheap. Days out can be free. Clothes can be second hand. Paying childcare however can be financially crippling though. That's one I don't have to deal with.

Momo18 · 29/12/2018 14:58

That's fine, I don't mind if someone think I'm not nice . I just wondering what the story is with having kids and constantly moaning and deciding that my life is easier because I don't have kids. I also wonder why and how people decided to have kids if they don't have the money . I mean why?

Sorry op but your coming across like a year. Just because you've worked in childcare it doesn't mean you have any idea about raising kids. Try months of sleep deprivation, it changes you mentally and it's hard not to be exasperated. As for having kids ans finances, pregnancy can happen regardless of using contraception and even if you planned everything in a very stable way, there's no guarantee that you won't lose your job in the future. It's normal for parents to struggle, just as it's normal to have a rough patch in a relationship. You haven't experienced Parenthood so you don't get to judge and you especially don't get to basically tell parents it isn't that hard!

Doghorsechicken · 29/12/2018 14:58

I’ve found it pretty difficult and my 7 month DS isn’t particularly hardwork in comparison to other babies. We have dropped lucky but it’s tough! Yes we can afford more but I won’t be having any more. He’s fab and I’m keeping it just us 3 (& hoping it’ll get easier). I found the newborn stage particularly tough. The sleepless nights. It’s hard but you can never ever just walk away. At least with your job you got a break! You could go home and have a good unwind. You can guarantee as soon as I put a film on DS will start to stir and I’ll have to go and pop his dummy back in or snuggle him to sleep.
Mum looked after him yesterday whilst I nipped to the shops for an hour and it was wonderful not to have to think about anyone but myself.

KaliforniaDreamz · 29/12/2018 14:58

Some kids are easier than others.
Some parents find it more of a shock than others do.
Your own kids are totally different from those you work with. So yes you have an idea about children (and that will help if you have kids) but it isn't the same.
Some people don't realise how negative they sound.
Some people have shitty mental health with makes the whole thing harder.
It is relentless.
It is also brilliant.
Horses for courses innit.

NotAColdWomanHenry · 29/12/2018 14:59

I agree with PPs that so many things make a difference. I'm a single parent and primary carer, my DC have some SEN issues, and though my ex does have the DC regularly, there's no one else - no family to help as they are all far away / not safe as carers. I find that hard - when I see kids at school who have a kind, capable grandparent or auntie to pick them up from school or have then for a weekend while the parents have a break, I think that must make it so so much easier.

OTOH I'm very lucky to have a good career with flexible hours and ex does pay reasonable maintenance, and though we're not exactly rich I'm very aware that not having to constantly worry about money makes it much easier for me than for many others.

I rarely go out and have very little social life because of work and being a single parent. But then I'm an introvert, I like staying in and I'm happy being single - if I had a more sociable personality it would be much harder - and so on.

dementedma · 29/12/2018 15:03

i found a lot of it boring, more than hard, and will probably be shot down for that. i also resented having absolutely no time for myself when they were younger.
Now they are older it's great. They do their share of chores, pay their way (more or less), drive and are fun to be around as young adults. I'm enjoying this stage most.

Sockwomble · 29/12/2018 15:04

Of course working in childcare is not the same as being a parent just like being a paid carer to an adult is not the same as being the relative doing it.
I think the post was designed to wind up parents and non parents so well done for that.

Bugsymalonemumof2 · 29/12/2018 15:07

I'm a lone parent of a 2 year old and a 4 year old. The 4 YO has autism.

Yes it's bloody tough but I love it.

FestiveNut · 29/12/2018 15:10

Maybe they are just going through a rough patch and need to vent. If you're fed up, just stop responding/give one word answers or non-committal sounds when they bring it up. They should get the hint.

YourEggnogIsBetterThanMine · 29/12/2018 15:13

I think I've been awake since 2012 so ram your 60 hour weeks love.

FestiveNut · 29/12/2018 15:14

YourEggnogIsBetterThanMine

Xmas Grin
NotAColdWomanHenry · 29/12/2018 15:16

The tiredness and boredom when they are little can be absolute torture. So far I've found it easier the older they get.

mindutopia · 29/12/2018 15:17

I think holidays with family and friends are hard with kids, so I think that's perhaps why you're getting the complaining. For one, they're home 24/7 and your routine and work hours are screwed up (unless you have non-term time childcare, etc.). That's stressful, especially if you are expected to keep working, are self-employed, etc.

But also over holidays you're constantly entertaining people and they seem to like to do things when they do things, even if that's hard when you have children. I know when we have family staying with us, not only was I exhausted before they got here from several days of cleaning, making up beds, food shopping and prep with 2 kids under foot while driving to finish a work project at the same time, but they all either have no children or adult ones, so forget that children get tired, need to eat, go to bed at night, etc. When I wasn't on my feet cooking and cleaning up after them, I needed to feed the baby, change the baby, sort out my older one who they'd fed too much chocolate and was overtired, etc. But they always want to do everything now, now, now, open the presents now, let's all go for a walk now, let's all sit down and relax (!!) and open this bottle of prosecco we bought now. It was stressful and hard work, not necessarily because my dc are stressful and hardwork but I have a house full of adults who aren't used to being around children or understanding that they need to be fed and they need to nap and I can only do that when I'm not making snacks or drinks for everyone else. So I'm exhausted and everyone is shouting demands at me and yes, it's stressful, but it would be less so if my friends and family without children had a bit more flexibility while they stay with us, frankly.

I probably do moan a bit more. One night, after spending over an hour trying to get ds to bed (while everyone sat downstairs drinking wine and getting merry), it was 9:30pm and I just took myself to bed and ignored them all. I'm sure that came across as rude and like I'm just overwhelmed and can't enjoy my children, but I just didn't want to stay up til 1am with them while I had a sick baby to be up with all night. That said, you're totally right about the financial aspect of it though. It's not hard to figure out what having children costs and you should only have the ones you can afford. We stopped at 2 with a 5 year age gap so we only ever had one nursery bill to pay at a time. Then again, people complain about paying their mortgage and taxes and all sorts of things, so sometimes it's fine to have a measured moan about the cost of childcare too.

crispysausagerolls · 29/12/2018 15:18

6 month old and I do think it’s a lot easier than we thought it would be, and I feel like sometimes I have to lie or complain about that to fit in, as so many parents I know complain so much